New M3 or C63?

[phatr1s]

I like the new C63 design and interior, I have never owned a MB.
What you think?

[asdflkijd]

No

[calsynergy]

I don't know... the C63 has some amazing numbers and its aggressively priced...

However my friend owns a C55 and that car was in the shop like every other week. He lemon lawed it and got an E55. He hasn't had any problems with it so far but he still wouldn't recommend getting another Benz.

I'd probably get the M3 because it looks hot and is more race car oriented, but thats just my 2 cents.

[MFL101]

I was trying to decide between the two as well...and I decided on the M3 Sedan.

BMW warrantee can't be beat...and compared to MB...there is no question.

C63 has the HP and torque....but the MPG on the car is totally horrible...couldn't get it good conscience. Plus the interior is much worse in the C63 compared to the M3. C63 also lacks many of the nice options that the regular C and E have...not worth it.

If you are leasing, MB rates are much worse as well.

[stressdoc]

M3 = light, racing car, great handling.
C63 = awesome V8 torque. But basically a heavy luxury car at heart.

M3 has a much better attitude, when I see one I usually think that that is a person I would like to have a beer with. AMGs just seem more pretentious.

[E92_SID]

It may be nice but the M3 is more then a car. Its a legacy!! The M3 is an enthusist car. When you say you drive an M then people automatically think "WOW, preformance. You know your cars". IMO when you drive a MB people just think "Wow, must have some money" even when talking about the SLR. Just my thoughts though guys.

[pedev1]

I Vote M3

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQOqLMHzBtk

[ybbiz34]

If you ask me, C63 all the way. That is, if you are going to be just driving it on the street, the C63 seems to be the best choice. All of that torque makes it a great daily driver like the 335i, but with seriously more power. Seems like it would be a handful and extremely fun to drive, as Clarkson described it as, "An axe murderer with headlights."

The exterior of each car appeals to me, but when comapring the C63 and M3 sedan, my vote goes toward the C63 for the more dramatic styling. Also, with the black birdseye maple trim in the Mercedes, the interior (with the non-dual hump dash) of the C63 appeals to me more as well.

The M3 would be the better street/track hybrid car because of the handling and lower overall weight. However, I doubt the M3's ability as strictly a track car when leaving it with its stock configuration. Upgraded brakes seem to be a must, according to recent reviews.

[ybbiz34]

It may be nice but the M3 is more then a car. Its a legacy!! The M3 is an enthusist car. When you say you drive an M then people automatically think "WOW, preformance. You know your cars". IMO when you drive a MB people just think "Wow, must have some money" even when talking about the SLR. Just my thoughts though guys.

Well, you fail to recognize the contingent of AMG enthusiasts. Maybe you are not too familiar with Mercedes-Benz?

[Davin]

M3 = light, racing car, great handling.
C63 = awesome V8 torque. But basically a heavy luxury car at heart.

M3 has a much better attitude, when I see one I usually think that that is a person I would like to have a beer with. AMGs just seem more pretentious.

completely agree :thumbsup:

[ybbiz34]

M3 has a much better attitude, when I see one I usually think that that is a person I would like to have a beer with. AMGs just seem more pretentious.

Maybe. More pretentious, BMW owners or Mercedes owners? I've met both BMW owners and Mercedes owners with questionable attitudes. A fair amount of non-Mercedes/BMW owners would argue that both groups are pretentious. :cool:

[e90driver]

I like MB- their cars feel very heavy though. Hard to explain, but heavy for sure. That being said. C63 AMG :drool:

[phatr1s]

LOL :-)


M3 = light, racing car, great handling.
C63 = awesome V8 torque. But basically a heavy luxury car at heart.

M3 has a much better attitude, when I see one I usually think that that is a person I would like to have a beer with. AMGs just seem more pretentious.

[MFL101]

Have you all seen the interior of the new C Class? It's practicaly all plastic...

Also, the ride comfort of the C63 is not as good as the M3 for a daily driver m(stated in numerous reviews). Of course there is more torque, but if you shift the M3 higher up on the RPMs you will tap tons of torque....how much do you really need?!?

M3 = Better MPG, Ride Comfort, Styling (IMO), Interior and Options

+ Lease rates for it are much better than the C63....

M3 = Sold

[e90driver]

The interior of the C is not quite up to par as a poster mentioned. Almost like the previos generation honda accord. But I could put up with that if it had monstrous horsepower and torque. And MB lease rates do suck big time.

[just4kickz]

id get the c63... m3s are pretty damn common... and who can say to no to all that torque!

[BMW335icDDS]

Neither, go with the GTR like me.

[Bimmer335i07]

id get the c63... m3s are pretty damn common... and who can say to no to all that torque!

I can! "NO, to all that TORQUE!"

:D

[Frosty]

wow,,, Benz copied the curve from the E9x series side... unless I have the order wrong? ~Frost

http://www.zcars.com.au/userimages/user1093_1178082605.jpg

[LODOSS]

M3 = light, racing car, great handling.
C63 = awesome V8 torque. But basically a heavy luxury car at heart.

M3 has a much better attitude, when I see one I usually think that that is a person I would like to have a beer with. AMGs just seem more pretentious.

Lighter would be the better word. =)

[FifthStreetz]

M3 duh.

should be a no brain'r.

[BK]

135i

[phatr1s]

If you ask me, C63 all the way. That is, if you are going to be just driving it on the street, the C63 seems to be the best choice. All of that torque makes it a great daily driver like the 335i, but with seriously more power. Seems like it would be a handful and extremely fun to drive, as Clarkson described it as, "An axe murderer with headlights."

The exterior of each car appeals to me, but when comapring the C63 and M3 sedan, my vote goes toward the C63 for the more dramatic styling. Also, with the black birdseye maple trim in the Mercedes, the interior (with the non-dual hump dash) of the C63 appeals to me more as well.

The M3 would be the better street/track hybrid car because of the handling and lower overall weight. However, I doubt the M3's ability as strictly a track car when leaving it with its stock configuration. Upgraded brakes seem to be a must, according to recent reviews.


I agree with you, since I'm not planning to take it to the track twice or three times a month, this car will be my daily drive car, I like the new C63 exterior and interior design, the M3 has some minor difference in the interior as my 335.
Everyone has some good points here, but I think that MB nailed the design and the HP this time.

[Tranzporter]

M3

[MFL101]

Oh, did I mention that all major reviewers have declared the M3 the winner over the C63? Yeah...might've left that out ;)

Seriously though, to each his own. I just feel like for the price, I want an interior that matches the awesome exterior and what's under the hood.

[ybbiz34]

Have you all seen the interior of the new C Class? It's practicaly all plastic...

Also, the ride comfort of the C63 is not as good as the M3 for a daily driver m(stated in numerous reviews). Of course there is more torque, but if you shift the M3 higher up on the RPMs you will tap tons of torque....how much do you really need?!?

M3 = Better MPG, Ride Comfort, Styling (IMO), Interior and Options

+ Lease rates for it are much better than the C63....

M3 = Sold

You don't even know the lease rates for the C63. The option pricing isn't even out yet. :confused2

You haven't seen the black birdseye maple trim in the C63, either, apparently.

[npb]

BMW interiors are far superior in quality and fit and finish compared to any other car manufacturer (besides maybe ferrari) so far as i'm concerned. The cars wear well and do not turn into rattle boxes (in my experience) as an owner and valet driver at a local 5 star hotel.

Mercedes are great cars, don't get me wrong, but the quality of the interiors, fit, finish, and overall attention to detail is just lackluster. I've driven the new C multiple times, and agree that the styling is dramatic and appealing, yet the interior is cheap feeling. I can't help but feel MB won't change any of the interior plastics or anything in the C63 to make it feel any better.

With the c63 though, MB will allow you to special order and they will build to spec with AMG Performance Studio accessories (carbon brakes, suspension found on the CLK63 BLACK edition, etc, etc).

Both will be great cars, and I suppose time and opinion will only tell which is the better of the two.

[E90330iS]

It may be nice but the M3 is more then a car. Its a legacy!! The M3 is an enthusist car. When you say you drive an M then people automatically think "WOW, preformance. You know your cars". IMO when you drive a MB people just think "Wow, must have some money" even when talking about the SLR. Just my thoughts though guys.

I agree with him, the AMGs are nice and fast but the corner abilities are nowhere up to par to any Ms.

[bobbo]

I am leaning towards the C63's design. I saw a CLK63 AMG Blackline driven by a 20 years old chick today. Hot.

I agree with him, the AMGs are nice and fast but the corner abilities are nowhere up to par to any Ms.
He won't be able to legally experience the superior handling of the M on the street anyways. If he takes it on track the AMG blackline's performance would provide more than adequate fun and thrills. In a non-racing application, the 5-15 seconds faster laptime is really more for bragging rights than anything else. Driver will be the biggest flaw there.

[m.rk77]

the new c63 amg is just awesome!! WOW! it will eat the M3! same price range as the 335

[jct0518]

c63 > e90 m3 by far

its a close call on the e92 m3 though..I would probably go with the m3...either way you go you MUST get it in white!

[S4to335]

I like the new C63 design and interior, I have never owned a MB.
What you think?


I instructed a guy in a C63 this past friday at Laguna Seca raceway...seemed pretty fast...but it was only 505 bhp...the back seats are a total joke...you could put two grocery bags back there..THAT IS IT!

[E90RWC]

C63 hands down.

It's way too raw!

[franciscosss]

Not an MB fan but I choose C63, oh yes, C63...

[e90driver]

Ill take the M3 in Montego and the C63 in white metallic please.

[SteveMondragon]

the new c63 amg is just awesome!! WOW! it will eat the M3! same price range as the 335


if only that were true

[franciscosss]

if only that were true

I know, since when a 335i starts at $56k?

[AndrewAZ]

Neither both will have to hit the gas stations more than a crack addict hitting their dealer. With gas going over $3 a gallon+++ both are going to have horrible resale especially with a car and a V8 getting 12-13mpg on a 16 gallon tank expect around 200 miles on a tank. For me that means hitting the station twice a week and dropping $400-500 a month just in gas. The 335i tuned is a much better value and has the advantage of having better gas milage, and can be made faster in a strait line for cheap who cares about the track neither the C63 or M3 are real track cars anyways.

[88stlgrym3]

m3 of course. ask yourself this question, if you see a 5 yr old mb c32 amg and a 5 yr old e46 m3 on the road which one would you prefer? yeah sure the new amg version of the c class looks hot right now but it won't stand the test of time.

[iatacs19]

C63 exterior is HOT, but the interior fit and finish leaves much to be desired. :(

[iatacs19]

I instructed a guy in a C63 this past friday at Laguna Seca raceway...seemed pretty fast...but it was only 505 bhp...the back seats are a total joke...you could put two grocery bags back there..THAT IS IT!

is the C63 even out in the USA???

[e92drivver]

Between those two choices its close. M3 if you go to the track. C63 if you mostly drive streets.is the C63 even out in the USA???The only ones I have seen were press cars in Arizona. Haven't seen one at the dealerships. Also, s4to335 said it has 505bhp :confused2 The 2008 C63 has 457 bhp (marketing says 450 HP).

[1st335i]

M3!

[diononiz]

It depends upon what you want...

C63 crushes the m3 in a straight line and will be more rare

M3 is the better handler and is faster around a track

Both will offer a dual clutch transmission and can be had in sedan form and from the initial info looks like the pricing is very close. The exteriors are pretty equal (based largely upon personal preference) but I think the m3 interior is much nicer. If it matters to you, the M3 will get better gas milage as premium gas is now $4 per gallon. The C class I drove at the C event hosted by Mercedes had a very cheap plastic interior with a few rough edges. While the m3 has a great exhaust note. I feel the C63 has a better one with a deeper more aggressive growl.

Either way, lets face it...how can you go wrong with either. I am going to drive both then make my descion.

[OverDrive]

I know, since when a 335i starts at $56k?

if only that were true

That guy is from germany, so i guess he could be right, but then again how could these two cars bethe same price? Is the 335i really that good of a car??

I instructed a guy in a C63 this past friday at Laguna Seca raceway...seemed pretty fast...but it was only 505 bhp...the back seats are a total joke...you could put two grocery bags back there..THAT IS IT!

only 505 hp? I think that is too much, heck even the 306 on the 335 is too much. But you are wrong, the C63's are detunned to 450 hp, although that same engine on the Cl63 AMG gives out about 520 hp. Either you are wrong or the car you drove had some sort of a chip.


Now back to the topic...M3 FTMFW!!!!!!:thumsup:

[montreal red]

m3 for sure!....mercedes is a powerful luxury car not a performance car...it all depends on what youre after.

[choopy]

Im sure youll enjoy either
flip a coin... :bulge:...just jokin!

M3

[McLuVan]

I Vote M3

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQOqLMHzBtk

rubbish mate.....
top gear ftw

[OKG]

It's an HP war!!!

[Double White]

Why would you ask such a question on a BMW forum...

M3

[dmboone25]

Out of those two, M3. Not sold on the C63's looks, as Clarkson said "Its not a very pretty car"

[m.rk77]

full options 335 will cost you more then that and you dont even get the rough sport seats and other options

I know, since when a 335i starts at $56k?

[m.rk77]

also, the 335d with options will cost more then the c63 AMG!! M3 will cost more for sure but you get less.

[meruyailir]

M3!!!!!!!!!!!!

[phatr1s]

Im sure youll enjoy either
flip a coin... :bulge:...just jokin!

M3

Sure, not a bad idea :-)

[phatr1s]

Why would you ask such a question on a BMW forum...

M3

????
cause I own a BMW, and Im comparing a BMW to a MB, last time I check this still a BMW forum.

[demosthenes]

M3.

The M3 has always been great at balancing power, handling, ride, efficiency, reliability and comfort for the super enthusiast. When you drive one, you can feel its heritage.

Does the C63 strike a similar balance? This comparison test sheds some light: http://www.motorauthority.com/news/videos/video-bmw-m3-vs-mercedes-c63-amg/

It appears not. If you love torque and fishtailing more than handling or balance, the C63 might be your car. But if you love balance, the M3 is your car. Plus MB reliability has been terrible the last few years.

[spx2kxlive]

i'd go with the c63... for the straight line speed and the smooth 7 speed AT. the m3 coupe does look nice tho..

[SoCali E90]

Neither, go with the GTR like me.

you my friend are the are the most logical person in this thread!

[Boost Gomez]

C63, big black salty balls of power.

[-=Hot|Ice=-]

m3 for sure!....mercedes is a powerful luxury car not a performance car...it all depends on what youre after.

:word:

No matter how you look at at MB will always be looked upon as the ultimate luxery car.


Everytime I see one I expect a 40 or 50+ year old to be behind the wheel.

[335i4u2nv]

c63!!!!

[S4to335]

is the C63 even out in the USA???

I was in a C63 AMG...musta been....only 300 built.

[silvrevo]

Guy instructing said it has "only 505hp"??????? say what only?

And thats the wrong numbers too,,, it has like 451hp.
Unless your talking about a clk amg Blk series.

[///Mantis]

C63 = cheap interior, HUGE V8 generating 400+ hp, handling sucks, only automatic.

UMMMM that's a fucking germany version of american muscle

[travelinman53]

Neither C63 or M3 are "track" cars. If you want to track it, get the "real" M3, that kicked Benzes butts on just about every track you can think of, the E30. The C63 is more like a guided missile for shooting down the bahn and the M3 is moving in that direction. Item, the brakes on the new M3 are said to go away after just a lap or two.
And 50 year olds don't always drive luxury cars just like 20 somethings don't always drive ricers. My wife hates my modded EVO MR and AA supercharged
E36 M3 and I qualify for Sr. discounts next year.
With Benz poor reputation for reliability I would go with M3 but wait til 2010 to make sure BMW takes care of any issues. Look at the E46 and the problem with the engines that made BMW give that addl. warranty on the S54.

[cor0na3xtra]

M!!!

[SoCalM6]

i would wait till the cars have been out for a bit, at this rate getting an m3 will take a few months on its own so id just be patient and lets see what problems or issues come about on the US version. I think in this case the M3 but based on the reviews im getting very questionable.

[hl0m4n]

at first i didn't like the c63. but eventually the interior and the standard features list got to me. but i will say this m3 sedan<c63 but m3 coupe>c63. although you are getting a 6.2l with the 63 it is an automatic, nothing wrong with that but the m3 has manual and the new godlike 7 speed ksg :bow:.

the driving feeling of the amg and ms are way different to. the m always feel driver oriented making the driver really have feel for the car. the benz on the other hand is just a bullet. push the pedal and your out. nothing really special to the drive to it.

this is from riding and driving m coupe, m3, m5, c55, clk55, sl55, e63, and a slk55.

[Ikarus]

The C63 reminds me of a baby elephant that has too much power for its own good and doesn't have the means to put it all to works. E92 M3 for me.

[Bimmer Loyalist]

I would honestly need to drive the two back to back for a good hour each before I made up my mind.

[Pimp Star]

Lighter would be the better word. =)

:laughabov

Neither cars are light. I have to agree, if you wanted a "light" car try an E30 or some company called "low-tus".

[Bimmer Loyalist]

lol ya e30!!!