Hotchkis Sway Bars for 335

[titanmotorsports]

Pricing is $450.00 shipped to the lower 48 states. These include end links as well.

Please call 407-277-8423 x224 to order or e-mail me at bottle@titanmotorsports.com

http://www.titanmotorsports.com/hofrandreswb.html To order online

If you want just the end links the price is $200.00


Features:

Front sway bar-lightweight, durable 1 1/4” (32mm) tubular steel (95% stiffer than stock)
Rear sway bar-lightweight, durable 5/8” (16mm) tubular steel (90% stiffer than stock)
Precision adjustable front end links w/ quiet operating heavy duty ball joints.
Precision adjustable rear end links w/ quiet operating heavy duty ball joints and high articulation rod ends.
Greasable polyurethane bushings and heavy duty mounts included.
Finished in durable gloss gray powder coat.

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ADDED 03-15-08 Adjustable end links do not mean that they make the sway bars adjustable in terms of spring rate. End link adjustability allows the owner to adjust the position of the bar to achieve better clearance, such as on lowered cars.

Added 03-17-08 John Hotchkis Report
For the ultimate street-track handling, bigger isn't always better. A balanced, tuned sway bar system is!


The Final Result:

The BMW E92 is a great car with loads of turbo induced horsepower. However, it's a somewhat heavy car at 3590 lbs, and in stock form has significant body roll during cornering. Unlike the new M3 with 50/50 F&R weight distribution, the E92 has 51% front weight bias. Therefore, we chose to aggressively increase the front sway bar rate (95% stiffer than stock) to reduce much of the body roll and dramatically quicken steering response. We increased the rear sway bar rate to 105% stiffer than stock to reduce roll, but not to harm corner exit traction.

Our Methods:

We equipped our BMW 335 ci development car with Bilstein PSS10 Coil-overs, Bridgestone Potenza RE01R and RE050A tires (from The Tire Rack) and a Stop Tech big brake upgrade package. Then we spent numerous hours testing to develop our balanced sway bar system worthy of definitive handling improvements on the street and track.

We tested 4 rear sway bar sizes, and two fronts to determine the proper roll stiffness and roll couple. We put these combinations through our battery of punishing tests including 600 ft slalom and numerous trips to our local SCCA and BMW CCA autocross events. We finally decided that the 1 ¼” (32mm) front and 5/8” (16mm) rear combination gave the E92 the best balanced, most comfortable handling on the street and track.

We tested the larger 0.75" (20mm) solid rear bar (355% stiffer than stock) with negative results. The BMW makes boost quickly and when the turbos spooled up the rear tires would easily break traction and our forward bite would suffer. We knew our BMW could post quicker lap times with faster corner exit speeds. This meant tuning the rear sway bar to help get the power to the ground early as possible. After we reduced the rate to 105% stiffer than stock, we were able to apply the throttle earlier, have much quicker corner exit speeds and ultimately achieve faster lap times.

We know these results to be true from past experiences developing sway bars for the 500 hp 2007 ZO6 Corvette. With the ZO6, we achieved the fastest lap times using a rear sway bar that was 15% softer than stock. Absolutely contrary to what most people think!

For the ultimate street- track handling, bigger isn't always better. A balanced, tuned system is!

Comparison Numbers vs. Common Sizes
Description Size (OD) % over Stock
Front 27 mm Solid 35%
Rear 20mm Solid 355%

Hotchkis Front 32mm Tubular 95%
Hotchkis Rear 16mm Tubular 105%

[flukey]

will these fit an E9X xi?

[asdflkijd]

this is for both front and rear right?!? WOW I've been waiting so damn long for this! too bad I just bought my SSTT.. now I have to wait a little longer.. :(

[Crazy Bimmer]

Why did i think this title was about hot chicks.

I had these sway bars on my A4, one of the best mods.

[titanmotorsports]

yes it is front and rear and also comes with adjustable end links.

[titanmotorsports]

will these fit an E9X xi?

No it will not fit the XI
sorry

[Chowbow]

Got a picture of the endlinks?

[rooster3.0]

These fit e90 as well? Also, have the h-sport control arms been released yet?

[asdflkijd]

this is probably the best mod for our cars...

[titanmotorsports]

Control arms not released yet.

I will have pictures in about 1 week.

[hunter399]

Sounds good!

[Chowbow]

I'd be very interested in rear (lower) control arms... Knowing how flimsy the factory ones are.

[Magna3]

I have a feeling that you will only get the true performance from the set (front and rear)

[HyperM3]

I had these sway bars on my A4, one of the best mods.

+1. Best mod you can do to increase handling immediately without sacrificing ride quality.

However, Ive heard installing the rear bar is quite intensive on the e90. Something about dropping the diff to get to it?

[grod]

Finally! Great stuff, unf I have the H&R set (couldn't wait) and those are night and day compared the OEM ones. I don't suggest you attempt to do this by yourself, esp. with the rear.

[Chowbow]

+1. Best mod you can do to increase handling immediately without sacrificing ride quality.

However, Ive heard installing the rear bar is quite intensive on the e90. Something about dropping the diff to get to it?

Worse, gotta drop the rear subframe...

[titanmotorsports]

bump, the first batch will sell out quickly i am sure we are getting the shipment of 50 sets soon.

[judec]

hmmm, rear sways 16mm? Well I'm really curious about a customer review for these, the H&R rear sways are 20mm... maybe similar stiffness cause some stiffer material in Hotchkis sways? or are they optimised for coilovers? Really curious!

[judec]

These fit e90 as well? Also, have the h-sport control arms been released yet?

based on hotchkis.net these will fit both e90 and e92.

more info here:
http://www.hotchkis.net/c-841-335-coupe.aspx

(another free :bump: for a great product for a great price from a great seller :thumbsup:)

[stressdoc]

Awesome. Tuned with PSS10s. Perfect. :dance:
This should be the hot setup if performance is your priority.

[judec]

bump

buy it guys, I wanna read som reviews asap

[Chowbow]

Any update on the endlinks? Like to see some info and pictures of this setup.

[stressdoc]

Photos! Nothing yet on Hotchkis site. Get John to take some pics of the bars that are on one of their cars at least!

[titanmotorsports]

Picture added

[titanmotorsports]

you can also order on our online site as well
http://www.titanmotorsports.com/hofrandreswb.html

[baron]

Do you know what are the weight savings of the front and rear sway bars? Thanks.

[normtrum]

On the adjusdtable end links.....how much of an adjustment are you able to make? So would these sways be somewhere between a non adjustable sway (like h & R) and fully adjustable sways? If this is the case....what is the advantage?

Sorry....kind of new to sway bars....just trying to compile some info. Thanks.

[ironic]

wow...this is a nice kit

[second_2_nun]

will these fit the e92 328?

[titanmotorsports]

will these fit the e92 328?

I think it will for the car.

[normtrum]

On the adjusdtable end links.....how much of an adjustment are you able to make? So would these sways be somewhere between a non adjustable sway (like h & R) and fully adjustable sways? If this is the case....what is the advantage?

Sorry....kind of new to sway bars....just trying to compile some info. Thanks.

Never mind.

[titanmotorsports]

On the adjusdtable end links.....how much of an adjustment are you able to make? So would these sways be somewhere between a non adjustable sway (like h & R) and fully adjustable sways? If this is the case....what is the advantage?

Sorry....kind of new to sway bars....just trying to compile some info. Thanks.

Adjustable end links do not mean that they make the sway bars adjustable in terms of spring rate. End link adjustability allows the owner to adjust the position of the bar to achieve better clearance, such as on lowered cars.

[judec]

I never imagined telling s/t like this about sway bars, but they are beautiful :laugh:

[titanmotorsports]

From John Hotchkis

For the ultimate street-track handling, bigger isn't always better. A balanced, tuned sway bar system is!


The Final Result:

The BMW E92 is a great car with loads of turbo induced horsepower. However, it's a somewhat heavy car at 3590 lbs, and in stock form has significant body roll during cornering. Unlike the new M3 with 50/50 F&R weight distribution, the E92 has 51% front weight bias. Therefore, we chose to aggressively increase the front sway bar rate (95% stiffer than stock) to reduce much of the body roll and dramatically quicken steering response. We increased the rear sway bar rate to 105% stiffer than stock to reduce roll, but not to harm corner exit traction.

Our Methods:

We equipped our BMW 335 ci development car with Bilstein PSS10 Coil-overs, Bridgestone Potenza RE01R and RE050A tires (from The Tire Rack) and a Stop Tech big brake upgrade package. Then we spent numerous hours testing to develop our balanced sway bar system worthy of definitive handling improvements on the street and track.

We tested 4 rear sway bar sizes, and two fronts to determine the proper roll stiffness and roll couple. We put these combinations through our battery of punishing tests including 600 ft slalom and numerous trips to our local SCCA and BMW CCA autocross events. We finally decided that the 1 ¼” (32mm) front and 5/8” (16mm) rear combination gave the E92 the best balanced, most comfortable handling on the street and track.

We tested the larger 0.75" (20mm) solid rear bar (355% stiffer than stock) with negative results. The BMW makes boost quickly and when the turbos spooled up the rear tires would easily break traction and our forward bite would suffer. We knew our BMW could post quicker lap times with faster corner exit speeds. This meant tuning the rear sway bar to help get the power to the ground early as possible. After we reduced the rate to 105% stiffer than stock, we were able to apply the throttle earlier, have much quicker corner exit speeds and ultimately achieve faster lap times.

We know these results to be true from past experiences developing sway bars for the 500 hp 2007 ZO6 Corvette. With the ZO6, we achieved the fastest lap times using a rear sway bar that was 15% softer than stock. Absolutely contrary to what most people think!

For the ultimate street- track handling, bigger isn't always better. A balanced, tuned system is!

Comparison Numbers vs. Common Sizes
Description Size (OD) % over Stock
Front 27 mm Solid 35%
Rear 20mm Solid 355%

Hotchkis Front 32mm Tubular 95%
Hotchkis Rear 16mm Tubular 105%

[HyperM3]

Any possibility of purchasing just the front sway? Im not feeling the idea of dropping the rear subframe for the install.

[titanmotorsports]

Any possibility of purchasing just the front sway? Im not feeling the idea of dropping the rear subframe for the install.

Currently it is the just the sets that are available. You can always buy the set and then sell the rear bar.

[stressdoc]

Any possibility of purchasing just the front sway? Im not feeling the idea of dropping the rear subframe for the install.

Not a good idea. This would result in serious understeer.

[titanmotorsports]

we should be getting the first batch shortly get your orders in

[judec]

anyone got it already?

[judec]

Any possibility of purchasing just the front sway? Im not feeling the idea of dropping the rear subframe for the install.

that would be the worst thing U could do to your car

[judec]

free :bump:

[Rugs]

Will these fit an E93 convertible?

[PAKMAN]

avaialbe?

[titanmotorsports]

We have sold a lot of sets and have some sets should be ready to ship in approx 5-10 days. Please if you want them place the order now as they are selling fast.

[hunter399]

Nice!

what about the control arms

[Bimmer335i07]

How much will a normal shop charge to install one?

[titanmotorsports]

Control arms are not out yet. Just a warning on the control arms they will be a lot of money.

It seems shops are charging around 450+ for the install, the rear bar seems to be the one that takes the time for install.

[PAKMAN]

Control arms are not out yet. Just a warning on the control arms they will be a lot of money.

It seems shops are charging around 450+ for the install, the rear bar seems to be the one that takes the time for install.

its because they have to drop the rear subframe.

[JO3]

we need a DIY for those of us who are crazy enough to work on our own cars and drop the rear subframe ... please? :D

[titanmotorsports]

I have a set on order for myself, just not sure when I am going to install it, but when I do install it I will do a picture and write up.

[JO3]

Thank you! That would be much appreciated!

[johnnymu]

bump for updates

[flukey]

more control arm details please!

[O-cha]

Control arms are not out yet. Just a warning on the control arms they will be a lot of money.

It seems shops are charging around 450+ for the install, the rear bar seems to be the one that takes the time for install.

And I was just about to ask how hard it was. People are claiming it requires dropping the sub frame to do. Then again people claimed the same thing about the differential which was a load.

[titanmotorsports]

control arms there are no updates.

I do have sway bar sets in stock as of right now.

[HP Autowerks]

Not a good idea. This would result in serious understeer.


Not completely true. Some times just adding a bigger front bar can result in less understeer.

[titanmotorsports]

Just got another shipment of 10 units in.

[titanmotorsports]

got 5 more kits in stock.

[titanmotorsports]

just got a few more in stock

[stressdoc]

I would be nice if you had the matched Bilstein PSS10s for sale to ship with the Hotchkis sways.

[HP Autowerks]

I would be nice if you had the matched Bilstein PSS10s for sale to ship with the Hotchkis sways.

:)

We tend to like Koni's!

Have you tried Turnermotorport on the Pss10's?

[Sparky66]

I'm pretty sure Hotchkis stated on their site that these Bars were developed and fine tuned at a competitive Autocross level on an E92 coupe fitted with Bilstein PSS10's. So it's obvious they work well with the Bilsteins.



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[stressdoc]

I'm pretty sure Hotchkis stated on their site that these Bars were developed and fine tuned at a competitive Autocross level on an E92 coupe fitted with Bilstein PSS10's. So it's obvious they work well with the Bilsteins.
.

That is why I want the "package." Plus I think the PSS10s are one of the best coilovers for the 335. NBD, it's easy enough to get stuff from multiple vendors, it just might save everyone a bit of hassle and shipping. So far as I know, TireRack is the only vendor that has both, but their prices are not the best.

[judec]

Nice!

what about the control arms

Control arms are not out yet. Just a warning on the control arms they will be a lot of money.

It seems shops are charging around 450+ for the install, the rear bar seems to be the one that takes the time for install.

more control arm details please!

control arms there are no updates.

I do have sway bar sets in stock as of right now.

Looks like the control arms are are out already:
http://www.hotchkis.net/p-819-bmw-e90e92-sport-rear-camber-links.aspx

and yes, they are a lot of money. 770$! :confused0068:

[judec]

I have a set on order for myself, just not sure when I am going to install it, but when I do install it I will do a picture and write up.

Have U installed them already?

I created a separate thread for Hotchkis sway reviews (http://www.e90post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=148199) but noone replied yet :mad0259:

[avzbmveh]

how do these compare to the H&R sway bars?

[Chowbow]

Hmm.... those camber links look interesting. $770 isn't too bad considering that it comes in a set of 4 to replace the 2 arms on each side. I wonder if they'll be noisy though, no mention of bushing types etc.

[titanmotorsports]

I can also get the PSS10 coilovers as well to sell with the sway bars.

I have a set of sway bars i plan on installing them before i bring the car to seebring next. So i can give my review after the track test :)

[oct1285]

you guys have payment