Nissan GTR might not be as good as you think it is.

[DC52E55]

http://www.nagtroc.org/forums/index.php?showtopic=22031

22 pages scan from the EVO magazine.

Enjoy.

[rai]

Y do U say it's not as good as we think? it won all three contests.

[DC52E55]

Y do U say it's not as good as we think? it won all three contests.

Still need to go head to head with RAF's Typhoon jet fighter.

[rai]

oh ;)

IMO people (me included) seem to think what's wrong with the GTR? Like how can it possible be as quick as a Z06? Or how can it be near or better than a 911 turbo but not cost so much?

I believe the GTR could sell for $120K (in the US) and it'd get more respect but for some reason when I see it's $70K, I think so what's wrong with it? I mean there has to be a reason it's not selling for 6-figures.

I know mark-ups maybe that's the true market price.

I have a lead to GTR at +$5K so maybe just do that. I just think it's got to have something wrong with it to sell at such a low price, I haven't figured it out yet.

[DC52E55]

oh ;)
I believe the GTR could sell for $120K (in the US) and it'd get more respect but for some reason when I see it's $70K, I think so what's wrong with it? .

What' wrong with the GTR? the Nissan Badge. lol!

I have been dealing with 3 different Nissan dealers and they are pretty damn difficult to deal with.

[///Mantis]

why's nissan badge bad on the GTR? that's ridiculous IMO.

appreciate the car for what it is. Nissan has a long history of great engineering, and great Skyline line. if we're talking "badge" here, then this entire thread is worthless IMHO

[southlight]

why's nissan badge bad on the GTR? that's ridiculous IMO.
Remember what L has taught you today. :D ;)


Best regards, south

[///Mantis]

Remember what L has taught you today. :D ;)


Best regards, south

mix tuna with ranch when i make tun melt?
or that im clinically insane? :D

[southlight]

mix tuna with ranch when i make tun melt?
Did he tell you that? :D I meant the part about sarcasm.


Best regards, south

[gbb357]

The GTR beat the GT3 a full second on the course even with 700lbs more to carry. I think that's pretty good. And it matches the Z06 almost at every level with about 600lbs more, again that's pretty good. So i guess it's safe to say that it is as good as most people think it is.

[///Mantis]

but it's a nissan though. they should have badged it as infiniti

[gbb357]

but it's a nissan though. they should have badged it as infiniti

You're probably right. But Infiniti GTR does'nt sound right to me. Also, with the Infiniti brand you'll also get the Infiniti service. I'd hate to think i paid $70k or more for a car and when i get it service, i'm getting the same service as the next guy that bought a Nissan Sentra.:D J/k, it's not really the same supposedly. That's why Nissan trained mechanics especifically to work on the GTR for each dealer that would carry it.

[///Mantis]

i was "trying" to sound sarcastic about the nissan/infiniti. it's stupid if they name it infiniti after 30 years of good performance under a Nissan badge.

Infiniti service is pretty decent IMO. at least i got a better car than mine every time i went it, not like BMW where i had to wait, beg long, or forget about a loaner.

[gbb357]

i was "trying" to sound sarcastic about the nissan/infiniti. it's stupid if they name it infiniti after 30 years of good performance under a Nissan badge.

Infiniti service is pretty decent IMO. at least i got a better car than mine every time i went it, not like BMW where i had to wait, beg long, or forget about a loaner.

I knew you where being sarcastic. And you're right, after 30yrs of legendary tradition it would be stupid to changed it.

[DC52E55]

why's nissan badge bad on the GTR? that's ridiculous IMO.

appreciate the car for what it is. Nissan has a long history of great engineering, and great Skyline line. if we're talking "badge" here, then this entire thread is worthless IMHO

I was just being sarcastic. :)

[335destroyer]

the GTR is going to be awesome and beastly when it comes out. i hear its a zo6 killer, is this true? because if it is its sort of like saying sl65 killer because the sl65 and zo6 is pretty close

[jaiman]

sl65 killer because the sl65 and zo6 is pretty close

perhaps in a flat world with no corners the sl can keep up with a Z06. But on anything twisty, uh, no. The GT-R should be comparable to the Z06 on the track, but much easier to drive fast. In a straight line the z06 should have the GT-R

[BlackJetE90]

why's nissan badge bad on the GTR? that's ridiculous IMO.

appreciate the car for what it is. Nissan has a long history of great engineering, and great Skyline line. if we're talking "badge" here, then this entire thread is worthless IMHO

Exactly

The skyline has always been a Nissan.

They are not retarded like Toyota/Lexus and trying to start racing Lexus. Yota is just stupid, a Lexus is luxury, not a stripped out race car.

Putting a Infiniti badge on it, would just be poseur.

Nissan has a long racing heritage, Infiniti doesn't

[gbb357]

Exactly

The skyline has always been a Nissan.

They are not retarded like Toyota/Lexus and trying to start racing Lexus. Yota is just stupid, a Lexus is luxury, not a stripped out race car.

Putting a Infiniti badge on it, would just be poseur.

Nissan has a long racing heritage, Infiniti doesn't

Nothing wrong with Lexus in racing and making sportscars. Mercedes and BMW does it, so why not Lexus.

[th3Stig]

For each dealership that sells/maintains GTRs, they have special technician training for that car.

[JEllis]

Exactly

The skyline has always been a Nissan.

They are not retarded like Toyota/Lexus and trying to start racing Lexus. Yota is just stupid, a Lexus is luxury, not a stripped out race car.

Putting a Infiniti badge on it, would just be poseur.

Nissan has a long racing heritage, Infiniti doesn't

Are you aware that infiniti doesnt exist in Japan? That and the fact every Infiniti sold in the US has a Nissan counterpart in Japan.... makes ya think

Jason

[BlackJetE90]

Are you aware that infiniti doesnt exist in Japan? That and the fact every Infiniti sold in the US has a Nissan counterpart in Japan.... makes ya think

Jason

I was aware of that thanks.;)

[BlackJetE90]

Nothing wrong with Lexus in racing and making sportscars. Mercedes and BMW does it, so why not Lexus.

I would have a problem with it, if BMW and Mercedes had a lesser counter-part that held all of their racing heritage, but they don't.

Toyota has always raced under the TRD label. Now that they want some "sporty" image for Lexus, they are going to enter Lexus in a series like AMLS.

It is NOT a Lexus if you strip all the plushness out of the car, ITS NOW A TOYOTA RACECAR.

The engines, chassis, everything will be made in Toyotas racing facilities.

Putting a Lexus badge on it, all of a sudden makes it a Lexus going down the track. IT DOESN'T, its a Toyota everyone knows it.

For example, Toyota was in champ car for years making powerplants. They now are in the Rolex series as a powerplant provider. Because they put a Lexus badge on the Rolex series powerplant's valve covers makes it a Lexus engine, I don't think so. Think about.

[gbb357]

I would have a problem with it, if BMW and Mercedes had a lesser counter-part that held all of their racing heritage, but they don't.

Toyota has always raced under the TRD label. Now that they want some "sporty" image for Lexus, they are going to enter Lexus in a series like AMLS.

It is NOT a Lexus if you strip all the plushness out of the car, ITS NOW A TOYOTA RACECAR.

The engines, chassis, everything will be made in Toyotas racing facilities.

Putting a Lexus badge on it, all of a sudden makes it a Lexus going down the track. IT DOESN'T, its a Toyota everyone knows it.

For example, Toyota was in champ car for years making powerplants. They now are in the Rolex series as a powerplant provider. Because they put a Lexus badge on the Rolex series powerplant's valve covers makes it a Lexus engine, I don't think so. Think about.

I see your point. But if Lexus really wants to compete with MB and BMW, they have to make racecars and sportscars. They have no other choice. Whether people will accept it as Lexus or Toyota is another issue. The ISF is their first step and first attempt to build the sportscar image and the LF-A is next in line. Which will be Lexus and Toyota's first ever supercar. The only way for Lexus to somewhat disassociate from Toyota is make Lexus cars only for Lexus, not a rebadge Toyota. And so far they have done that on half of their models. The current IS, GS, and LS are strictly Lexus. The RX, ES, and the former GX are not, those three where basically rebadged Toyotas. Eventually and hopefully, all Lexus models will only be Lexus models. As it is, the IS, GS, and LS are made from a completely seperate plant for Lexus models only. Again, as i have said many times before, all car companies have to start somewhere. 20yrs ago nobody ever thought the Japanese can make and compete in the Luxury car segment let alone be succesful. Everyone knows they can build high performance cars, the next step is to build high class high performance cars.

[sayemthree]

.... makes ya think

Jason


things that make ya go "Hmmmmmm!" :lol:

[JEllis]

I was aware of that thanks.;)

Cool, cause if you did know this then you also know the same can be said for Lexus and Acura. All these premium names were given to the more expensive Honda, Acura, and Toyotas that already existed in Japan but were not sold in the US. Japanese automakers did some genious marketing when they decided to sell Toyotas, Hondas, and Nissans at BMW and Merc prices. Therefore, in reality, Lexus and infiniti really have the same racing heritage as Toyota and Nissan.

Jason