BMW Hi temp race pads..

[M3ashburn]

hi guys,

just thought i'd let you guys know that if you consider upgrading your brake system, try out BMW's OEM race pads first, which i'm sure is available at your local dealers.

i had them installed in my AW E92 M3 two weeks ago and took it out to an M track day outing and let me tell ya.. it was awesome! i ran for 50 minutes on the Malaysian Sepang race track non-stop, late braking at all corners and it was the business! it was fade free throuhout the session.. if only i had more fuel :mad0260:

the great thing about it is that its cheap and doesnt void your warranty.

try it out if u plan to take ur M3 on to the tracks.

[JAJ]

hi guys,

just thought i'd let you guys know that if you consider upgrading your brake system, try out BMW's OEM race pads first, which i'm sure is available at your local dealers.

i had them installed in my AW E92 M3 two weeks ago and took it out to an M track day outing and let me tell ya.. it was awesome! i ran for 50 minutes on the Malaysian Sepang race track non-stop, late braking at all corners and it was the business! it was fade free throuhout the session.. if only i had more fuel :mad0260:

the great thing about it is that its cheap and doesnt void your warranty.

try it out if u plan to take ur M3 on to the tracks.

M3ashburn

That's great to hear! I've been waiting for them to become available - could you please post the part numbers for us? I want to call my dealer and find out if they're in the system yet - they can't really do it without the numbers, though.

Thanks!

[consolidated]

M3ashburn

That's great to hear! I've been waiting for them to become available - could you please post the part numbers for us? I want to call my dealer and find out if they're in the system yet - they can't really do it without the numbers, though.

Thanks!

+1, do the race pads squeal with street use, be great to not need to swap pads for events.

[M3ashburn]

it squeals initially when its cold and before the track event.. but after that the squeals disappeared. my local service dealer reckons that i still have a good 2k to 3k miles before i chuck the pads in the bin!

i'lll get back to you on the part number in a day or two.

[JAJ]

it squeals initially when its cold and before the track event.. but after that the squeals disappeared. my local service dealer reckons that i still have a good 2k to 3k miles before i chuck the pads in the bin!

i'lll get back to you on the part number in a day or two.

Thanks - could you also tell us what they cost?

[M2381]

Wonder how they compare to the brembo brakes

[stevehifi]

Can someone post the part number for the BMW race pads?

[JAJ]

Confirmed with BMW

front 34 11 2 283 764
rear 34 21 2 283 366

The US dealer I asked about them said they're Europe-only and not available from BMWNA.

The Canadian dealer I asked about them said "No problem - it's a factory order and they'll $1500 or so for both axles". At the moment the fronts are out of stock at the factory, but that doesn't mean much - they could arrive any day.

I just did a track day on Tuesday, and for the moment I'm thinking that braking earlier is way cheaper than racing pads. The stock brakes are remarkably good if you look after them.

[GT3 Tim]

Confirmed with BMW

front 34 11 2 283 764
rear 34 21 2 283 366

The US dealer I asked about them said they're Europe-only and not available from BMWNA.

The Canadian dealer I asked about them said "No problem - it's a factory order and they'll $1500 or so for both axles". At the moment the fronts are out of stock at the factory, but that doesn't mean much - they could arrive any day.

I just did a track day on Tuesday, and for the moment I'm thinking that braking earlier is way cheaper than racing pads. The stock brakes are remarkably good if you look after them.

$1500 for pads? LOL Screw that.

Slam on some Pagids or similar and rock it at the track. When its time for service, slam the stockers back in there. It is super easy to swap pads if you are worried about any warranty issues....that's what I would do, should I want to track the car.

[BRDHNTR]

I have never heard of $1500 for pads. What are they made of? It must be real expensive to replace the pads on the new vette w/ the CCB and 15.5" front brakes and 15" rears.

[aussiem3]

BMW race pads squeal is unbearable. They were on the driver training cars recently and they gave me a headache. According to the instructors they are good on the rotors and easy to clean the wheels but not if you want to remain sane.
There was no brake fade whatsoever on the track when we drove like we stole but prepare to get some glances from other drivers.

[LandShark]

$1500 for pads? LOL Screw that.

Slam on some Pagids or similar and rock it at the track. When its time for service, slam the stockers back in there. It is super easy to swap pads if you are worried about any warranty issues....that's what I would do, should I want to track the car.

problem is... neither Pagid nor Performance Friction has any track pads for the new M yet....

I've called both and check as I'll be instructing by end of July. still trying to put as many miles on her as possible before the event (just broke 1000 mile yesterday!), and praying the stock pads will last longer.....

[JAJ]

It's official! I installed a set of PAGID RS-19 Yellows on my E92 M3 yesterday. Pagid has updated their website and it's now showing the correct part numbers instead of "Soon".

Both Bavauto and Turner can supply them. They are a bit more than $800 for both axles.

[Gearhead999s]

Holy crap!The BMW track pads are listed now and pricing is crazy!$1500 for F&R!The stock pads are $477 for comparision!

[JAJ]

Holy crap!The BMW track pads are listed now and pricing is crazy!$1500 for F&R!The stock pads are $477 for comparision!

That's why I have RS-19's! According to the Porsche crowd, the RS-19's are not corrosive (like HT-10's or PFC-01's) so you don't have to swap back and forth all the time. Dusty, yes - corrosive, no.

[consolidated]

Great choice going with Pagids, the yellow 19/29 is an endurance compound with a long and current racing pedigree. They also wear like rocks compared to Ferodo and even PFC. They squeal like piggies on the street however.

[Gearhead999s]

That's why I have RS-19's! According to the Porsche crowd, the RS-19's are not corrosive (like HT-10's or PFC-01's) so you don't have to swap back and forth all the time. Dusty, yes - corrosive, no.

How rotor freindly are they?and whom did you get them from?

[JAJ]

How rotor freindly are they?and whom did you get them from?

That information is cleverly concealed in post #13 in this thread!

[Gearhead999s]

That information is cleverly concealed in post #13 in this thread!

I have never heard of either one so I goggled them.I guess I have been out of the BMW loop for quite a while.Neither one lists those pads so I will call in the AM.

OOPS!Found them now on the Turner site!

[Radiation Joe]

That's why I have RS-19's! According to the Porsche crowd, the RS-19's are not corrosive (like HT-10's or PFC-01's) so you don't have to swap back and forth all the time. Dusty, yes - corrosive, no.

I've run PF01s for several years now and don't understand the corrosive comment. Do they attack the wheel finish? I've noted the dust has been hard to remove if left on for a while.

[JAJ]

I've run PF01s for several years now and don't understand the corrosive comment. Do they attack the wheel finish? I've noted the dust has been hard to remove if left on for a while.

If the PFC-01 dust gets wet and then you leave it on for a while it will etch itself into most wheel paints and form a hard lump called "cementite". When you remove cementite it usually leaves a mark or even takes the paint right off.

When I was running PFC-01's I put a coat of vaseline on the rims before the pads went on. I'd just leave the dusty black mess in place for the season and clean the rims in the fall. All it took was a rag - the vaseline and brake dust turned into a crumbly powder that would just wipe off and leave a perfectly clean wheel.

[argonboy]

BMW race pads squeal is unbearable. They were on the driver training cars recently and they gave me a headache. According to the instructors they are good on the rotors and easy to clean the wheels but not if you want to remain sane.
There was no brake fade whatsoever on the track when we drove like we stole but prepare to get some glances from other drivers.

+1 I've been to two Training events on the E92 M3 (the second last week) and I find them ridiculously loud, bearing in mind we had the windows rolled up the whole time and they were super loud.

If the track is that important, compared to everyday use, the fading is pretty much gone with these. I did the M Intensive Training and I couldn't believe how much abuse they were taking and still had a bite.

[argonboy]

Confirmed with BMW

front 34 11 2 283 764
rear 34 21 2 283 366

The Canadian dealer I asked about them said "No problem - it's a factory order and they'll $1500 or so for both axles". At the moment the fronts are out of stock at the factory, but that doesn't mean much - they could arrive any day.

I just did a track day on Tuesday, and for the moment I'm thinking that braking earlier is way cheaper than racing pads. The stock brakes are remarkably good if you look after them.

I looked up the part numbers on Tischer. They only have the rears (34 21 2 283 366) showing for $323 and they also have the 34 21 2 283 365 (subtract 1 from the part number) and they show up as front pads for $432, but even the OEM ones are not in sequence, so it doesn't mean anything.

I checked on BMWfans.info
(http://bmwfans.info/original/E92/Cou/M3-S65/ECE/L/N/2007/06/mg-34/) and it gives diff part numbers for OEM pads which Tischer also carries, for $156 and $103 respectively.

If anyone can shed some light on this. Which are the OEM numbers? Anyway, it's interesting that at least those rear pads are available on Tischer.

[JAJ]

I looked up the part numbers on Tischer. They only have the rears (34 21 2 283 366) showing for $323 and they also have the 34 21 2 283 365 (subtract 1 from the part number) and they show up as front pads for $432, but even the OEM ones are not in sequence, so it doesn't mean anything.

I checked on BMWfans.info
(http://bmwfans.info/original/E92/Cou/M3-S65/ECE/L/N/2007/06/mg-34/) and it gives diff part numbers for OEM pads which Tischer also carries, for $156 and $103 respectively.

If anyone can shed some light on this. Which are the OEM numbers? Anyway, it's interesting that at least those rear pads are available on Tischer.

The BMW Performance rear pads for the E9x M3 were originally produced for the E6x M5 and M6. All three models use the same rear caliper so the Performance pads are interchangeable. They've been available for a few years so they're in the parts system already.

The E9x M3 sport front pads are unique (although they would actually fit the 335i) and they're new so they are not yet in the parts system worldwide. However, I've confirmed with BMW that the part numbers I quoted in the earlier post are correct. If you're in Europe you can get them through the dealer network and they're reasonably priced. If you're in the USA, a US dealer told me straight out that NEITHER front nor rears are available in the US even if the part numbers do come up as valid in the BMW parts system. In Canada, it's hybrid - the dealer will buy them from BMW in Germany at full retail, double the price and resell them to you. Expensive, but at least it's better than "NO".

Did that help you?

[argonboy]

The BMW Performance rear pads for the E9x M3 were originally produced for the E6x M5 and M6. All three models use the same rear caliper so the Performance pads are interchangeable. They've been available for a few years so they're in the parts system already.

The E9x M3 sport front pads are unique (although they would actually fit the 335i) and they're new so they are not yet in the parts system worldwide. However, I've confirmed with BMW that the part numbers I quoted in the earlier post are correct. If you're in Europe you can get them through the dealer network and they're reasonably priced. If you're in the USA, a US dealer told me straight out that NEITHER front nor rears are available in the US even if the part numbers do come up as valid in the BMW parts system. In Canada, it's hybrid - the dealer will buy them from BMW in Germany at full retail, double the price and resell them to you. Expensive, but at least it's better than "NO".

Did that help you?

Great, thanks. I'll ask the parts department next week. I only trust one guy from there, so I'd rather come with my own part numbers. I'm at 8700km, and I'm starting to imagine the brakes aren't the same as they used to be.

I know how loud they are, so I'm not sure how livable that will be, especially for 90% city driving.

[Radiation Joe]

If the PFC-01 dust gets wet and then you leave it on for a while it will etch itself into most wheel paints and form a hard lump called "cementite". When you remove cementite it usually leaves a mark or even takes the paint right off.


Well, I just pulled out one of my track wheels and wiped the inside of the wheel clean with a paper towel and a little all purpose household cleaner. Most of the dust just wipes off, but, some looks like it's stuck on. Not a lot, but enough to bother anyone who likes to keep their wheels extra clean.

These wheels were run on the street with PF01s, through rain, shine, whatever. So I'm thinking you have to get them wet while they are very hot in order to make the dust stick. Maybe it has something to do with the kind of finish on the wheels. These are BBS forged mags which are strictly designed to be track wheels. Perhaps the finish is more resistant to brake dust.

I used to run (name withheld to protect the guilty) pads on an old 2002 race car I had. Those wheels had deposits that a jackhammer wouldn't take off.

[sfbimmer13]

I just received news from my former BMW dealer in Germany and was old that the front pads are currently not available and should be back in stock mid October - the prices are Euro 355 front and Euro 260 rear...I also confirmed that BMW NA can not officially order them:(