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      11-05-2012, 11:16 PM   #45
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nice, feelin that for sure. thats whats up!
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      11-05-2012, 11:28 PM   #46
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Why is the X5d on the list? A diesel has been in the market for a while.
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      11-06-2012, 12:00 AM   #47
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Why is the X5d on the list? A diesel has been in the market for a while.
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      11-06-2012, 12:14 AM   #48
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Complete bs that BMW won't bring the M50d to NA with the rest of these.
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      11-06-2012, 12:17 AM   #49
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The 320d is about 1,500 Euro cheaper than the 328i in Europe (checked one country; is it across the board in Europe?). Will we see the same difference in the US?
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BMW doesn't have any V8 desiels. They have the 2.0L I4s and 3.0L I6s. I think you're thinking of the X5/X6 M50d and M550d which are all 3.0L I6s with 3 turbos.
I stand corrected. I was thinking that X5/X6 does have a V8 Diesel. Wishful thinking.
V8 diesel=torque monster.
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      11-06-2012, 01:20 AM   #51
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I love my 335d. Diesel is just so much fun
Yep, love my 335d too. With sport package to assure superb handling and braking, paddle shifters for the occasional assistance the automatic needs to keep the revs in that almighty torque curve, yet so efficient. I downright laugh hybrids
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      11-06-2012, 02:38 AM   #52
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Great news for sure. Maybe I'll have an F30 gas and an F31 diesel!
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      11-06-2012, 03:04 AM   #53
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excuse my ignorance but what are pros and cons of diesel over regular gasoline?
Way better gas mileage, this 2 liter four cylinder diesel which makes 184 horsepower and 280 lb/ft of torque is already being sold in the European market 320d and is rated for a combined fuel consumption of 62.8MPG. Since a British gallon is 1.2 US gallons, converting it to US MPG would give you 52.3MPG.

Obviously our EPA tests are different and we'll see different numbers but a ~50MPG 3 series with a 0-60 of 8 seconds and a (hopefully) slightly lower MSRP than a 328i will be exactly what a lot of people have been waiting for.

Imagine being able to rival a Prius' gas mileage in a BMW 3 series and you'll see why Europeans think the Prius is such a joke.
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      11-06-2012, 03:13 AM   #54
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Wow a X3 Diesel? Get the hell out.
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I stand corrected. I was thinking that X5/X6 does have a V8 Diesel. Wishful thinking.
V8 diesel=torque monster.
Wouldn't be cool to keep M5 naturally aspirated and just make regular 5er V8 diesel.

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      11-06-2012, 03:59 AM   #56
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Exactly. I think this is a confirmation that the new X5 will be available late 2013, which is good news because I think it has been rumored för 2014.

My lease ends in october 2013 and I can extend it a few months
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      11-06-2012, 04:00 AM   #57
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Guys, driving a 6 cylinder Diesel with MT is really _no_ fun (like someone already said)!

Furthermore, the 4 cylinder Diesels have a REALLY crappy transmission and the shifting is just horrible in comparison to (let's say) 135i. They're worlds apart and you can literally tell that BMW put in cheap transmission parts into their 4 cylinder models to save money.

All in all: Diesel MT is a no-go. The 6cyl are either not available or no fun to drive and the 4cyl have a crappy transmission (they're not too much fun to drive either).

I'd get the 8 Speed AT.
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      11-06-2012, 04:20 AM   #58
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excuse my ignorance but what are pros and cons of diesel over regular gasoline?
Diesels offer a vastly different power delivery from gasoline where a lump of torque is available low in the rev band. So the power becomes much more accessible for everyday driving. Driving a standard with a small diesel is a blast as you learn to short shift and float on that torque. In fact, the redline on diesels is often quite low - 4-5K and rarely approached as there is little reason to go there.

Diesel fuel itself contains more energy and the engines therefore offer better efficiency.
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I stand corrected. I was thinking that X5/X6 does have a V8 Diesel. Wishful thinking.
V8 diesel=torque monster.
BMW used to make a V8 diesel for the 7 Series if I'm not mistaken. They stopped making it because the 6 cylinders have gotten so good that their performance is on par, while fuel economy is better.

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Way better gas mileage, this 2 liter four cylinder diesel which makes 184 horsepower and 280 lb/ft of torque is already being sold in the European market 320d and is rated for a combined fuel consumption of 62.8MPG. Since a British gallon is 1.2 US gallons, converting it to US MPG would give you 52.3MPG.

Obviously our EPA tests are different and we'll see different numbers but a ~50MPG 3 series with a 0-60 of 8 seconds and a (hopefully) slightly lower MSRP than a 328i will be exactly what a lot of people have been waiting for.

Imagine being able to rival a Prius' gas mileage in a BMW 3 series and you'll see why Europeans think the Prius is such a joke.
The problem is that we don't know if they are bringing the 4 pot or 6 cylinder... or both? If it's the 4 cylinder, then I'm going to assume that it's going to be priced equal to the 328i. I don't see the 4 cylinder diesel being the entry level car like they have it elsewhere in the world, but that's just my guess.

If they badge it a 328d, I'd actually expect it to cost slightly more than a 328i.
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should give BMW a slight competitive edge over the competition
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      11-06-2012, 08:18 AM   #62
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As good of news as this is, I wont believe until I see it. I hate to be skeptical, but BMWNA has be on again - off again about bringing diesels to our market. Until these models are actually on the showroom floor I wont waste any of my time.

If they do bring them, I would bet they would only with the 8 speed transmission. It would be a perfect match for an engine that creates a vary narrow power band.
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I'm glad to see the sportwagons are also getting diesels over here. I would've gotten a 335d wagon if they were sold in the US!
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Even my E46 320d is capable of up to the equivalent to 55 US MPG on a run, so I'm sure the latest generation of diesels should offer fantastic real world economy - no matter how the EPA test it.

Having said that, being a four cylinder diesel I agree that a Manual is more of a chore than a pleasure, basically you're just stirring the gearbox to keep it between 2000rpm and 3500rpm, the rest of the time it's pretty gutless - but since fuel over here equates to 9.5 $/gal, I can live with it being unresponsive if it achieves 2-3 times the economy I get from my even older E36 Coupe.
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excuse my ignorance but what are pros and cons of diesel over regular gasoline?
Take the U.S. 335d for example:

*425 lb-ft of Torque from a 3.0L inline 6
(The passing ability of this car is sick.)
*0-60mph: 5.3s http://www.roadandtrack.com/content/...-335d_data.pdf
*It will also return over 40mpg on the highway. (I have personally gone 600 miles from Alabama to Texas without refueling for 40.85mpg. Others on this forum have gone further for even better mpg)

I have owned both the 335i and d and much prefer the d for its excellent mix of power and fuel efficiency. Also with all that torque it's more fun to drive too. Diesel prices can exceed premium gasoline depending where you live. Right now it's priced with mid grade where I live which is nice. Some people prefer a high revving gasoline engine, so to each their own.
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