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      09-17-2008, 01:44 PM   #23
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1er Sedan

Ok, here is how I will attempt to explain this...

The current 1 series has been out as a Hatch for sometime now. Yes, the coupe is different in many ways. Now, look at the 3er's history. The new generation sedan is released a year before the new generation coupe/vert. So what you see in this list is an all new 1 series sedan being release a year before the all new coupe...

As for size, uh, whomever said they hardly fit in a 1er must not fit into an e46 easy either. I fit into my e46 sedan (shorter doors than a coupe) just fine at 5'11" 160lbs. The 1er has a higher roofline, but basically the same exterior dimensions as an e46 coupe. As most BMW's grow with every generation, it is possible the next generation 1er will be larger than the current. I, personally, hope its not, but I don't have any issues fitting into a 1er, e46, e36, e30, etc, etc...
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Whoever compiled this "RoadMap" cleary does not work within BMW AG!!

Discrpencies?

There never was to be a production car of the M1 Hommage. This is merely a design study to celebrate 30 years of the M1 , there was no plans for production , especially in what was speculated on specifics for the production version. Why no production M1? Because BMW are not interested in Pissing competitions with our rivals and are more interested in future sustainance and stability thanks to our Efficient Dynamics programme.

No 1er sedan. BMW will not introduce a sedan because of the damage that can be done of BMW four cylinder 3er sales in Europe in which four cylinder petrol and diesel models are big sellers in European markets. And the 1er will not interfere by not introducing a conventional sedan and touring variants.

Z2 Roadster will be based off the next 1er platform and will have offer aswell as usual petrol and diesel engines a stand alone turbo charged four cylinder with mild hybrid technology. The aim is to have a BMW sports car in amongst the hybrids but to defy convention by offering something more unique and groundbreaking for customers.

No X7. The X5 is sufficient enough in terms of space , performance and efficiency.

BMW Gran Turismo - will be the flagship of the BMW division. The Audi A7 will be a direct competitor with the Mercedes CLS , The BMW and Audi are two different segments - Audi is for the mid level luxury segment and BMW will be for the upper luxury segment. The BMW will be the most expensive BMW on the market.

Thanks Scott, is the 2013 timeframe right for the F12 6er?

What can you say about the future M cars?

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No 1er sedan. BMW will not introduce a sedan because of the damage that can be done of BMW four cylinder 3er sales in Europe in which four cylinder petrol and diesel models are big sellers in European markets. And the 1er will not interfere by not introducing a conventional sedan and touring variants.
I disagree. I as I stated above, usually BMW "grows" their cars with every generation. As the next (most likely larger) 3er is on the horizon, I could easily see them producing a 1er sedan to appeal to those that do not need such a large (funny calling a 3er large) sedan...

Only time will tell...
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Whoever compiled this "RoadMap" cleary does not work within BMW AG!!

Discrpencies?

There never was to be a production car of the M1 Hommage. This is merely a design study to celebrate 30 years of the M1 , there was no plans for production , especially in what was speculated on specifics for the production version. Why no production M1? Because BMW are not interested in Pissing competitions with our rivals and are more interested in future sustainance and stability thanks to our Efficient Dynamics programme.

No 1er sedan. BMW will not introduce a sedan because of the damage that can be done of BMW four cylinder 3er sales in Europe in which four cylinder petrol and diesel models are big sellers in European markets. And the 1er will not interfere by not introducing a conventional sedan and touring variants.

Z2 Roadster will be based off the next 1er platform and will have offer aswell as usual petrol and diesel engines a stand alone turbo charged four cylinder with mild hybrid technology. The aim is to have a BMW sports car in amongst the hybrids but to defy convention by offering something more unique and groundbreaking for customers.

No X7. The X5 is sufficient enough in terms of space , performance and efficiency.

BMW Gran Turismo - will be the flagship of the BMW division. The Audi A7 will be a direct competitor with the Mercedes CLS , The BMW and Audi are two different segments - Audi is for the mid level luxury segment and BMW will be for the upper luxury segment. The BMW will be the most expensive BMW on the market.
Scott,

Thanks for the post... I was going to make the same comment yesterday but would risk being penalized so I did not (this is my first post in a long while). The X7 was voted down several months ago so I am not even sure why people are still discussing it! The M1 was clearly released as an Hommage (the name says it all) like the Mille Miglia of years past, which never made it to production or even cued future design.

Missing from the list is the X3, the coupe convert lift of next MY, the hybrid X6 and 7, and the new ///M models. The dates are firm for those at this point and are closer than most think.

Really interested in seeing how the hybrids will turn out and the price delta they will command.

Thanks again Scott!
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Scott, Appreciate the post.Always very solid info.Thanks! PalBay
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well..now...Im even more disappopinted when reading what scott dude wrote...

now I think tottaly different...I think bmw are Total jackasses

for several reasons more....no M1 truly would be a unique car..shame , 1er sedan no Im not too pissed about that tho Im pissed cuz of X7 and mid level luxury audi....
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so late for the CS... want to see it sooner!
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well..now...Im even more disappopinted when reading what scott dude wrote...

now I think tottaly different...I think bmw are Total jackasses

for several reasons more....no M1 truly would be a unique car..shame , 1er sedan no Im not too pissed about that tho Im pissed cuz of X7 and mid level luxury audi....
Why would you say that?

Is it because you are not happy about how "Efficient Dynamics" has become the main headlines within BMW?

As of currently a good selection of our models feature "Efficient Dynamics" these are not far fledged concept cars , these are cars you can buy today and more importantly these are cars that do not compromise the image of BMW meaning a thrilling drive , sporting dynamics and performance as of now we add the word efficiency.
Currently what we are at today is Phase One of efficient dynamics.
our Petrol powered six , eight , ten and twelve cylinders all are destined to come available with more technology aimed at keeping BMW as the most efficient manufacturer in each segment.

BMW aim to be on the road and continuing the journey when our rivals are being forced off the road. As of the M-Division? This will become the Pinnacle of the Efficient Dynamics programme , Turbo charging is coming as is further technology especially in the field of further use of lightweight materials and specialist construction techniques. Further tech under development for M, Efficient Dynamics will incorporate BMW Active aerodynamics and the first BMW performance car to feature KERS technology.

The 1er has enormous potential to become as big a sustainance to BMW as the 3er. Which is why BMW are focusing on as many potential variants that can come from the next generation platform. With the global trend for downsizing the 1er offers a unique opportunity for BMW that begins with the upcoming BMW X1 . The reasons for X1 are two fold to establish a new niche as a premium compact SAV and to provide stability when the current X3 begins to slide when the market establishes the GLK and Q5. This is when the cycle for the launch of the next generation X3 starts to approach.
BMW also see the need for establishing a vehicle in the Premium segment to counteract the compact MPV market , although BMW will not offer a van perse. But a variant on the Progressive Activity Sedan Concept to offer something between a sedan and a Touring eliminating the need for both. Also in the pipeline is a compact Z2 Roadster and a variant from the X1 called an X2 these models will sit within next generation Coupe , Cabrio and two hatchbacks with the 3dr inheriting a more sporting design than the upright hatch.

But that does not mean BMW are finished with the current 1er Coupe, as more performance plans are to explored. Not cultivating in an M model unfortunately as the experiment did not work. But also more options will arrive under the BMW performance range.
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Interesting logic here...so, the faster a car manufacturer releases new model means the better it is?

yes..I dont see the point of waiting too much

X7 = elongated X5 = BS?

X5 is not BS , I just dont see the point of having two same suv's , do ML and GL look the same?

Q7 = elongated Touareg = Porsche Cayenne = Golden? lol

I dont see nothig wrong with Touareg and Cayenne , no not golden but silver close , I think ur jealous , look at this by the way http://www.autojunk.nl/clips/view/146084

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A3 = GTI = Rabbit = Jetta = TT = Scirocco = Tiguan = (go on and on...)
yeah so?

A4 = Passat = Some Seat

same platform and btw seat has nothing to do with audi , seat is bullshit compared to audi ,

Just in case you don't know.
I dont know nothing obviously....


oh and scotty man ur serious but thanks for explaining.. but I was joking ..u know that dont u?
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Why would you say that?


BMW aim to be on the road and continuing the journey when our rivals are being forced off the road. As of the M-Division? This will become the Pinnacle of the Efficient Dynamics programme , Turbo charging is coming as is further technology especially in the field of further use of lightweight materials and specialist construction techniques. Further tech under development for M, Efficient Dynamics will incorporate BMW Active aerodynamics and the first BMW performance car to feature KERS technology.
Scott, your posts are always welcome. The concerns that I personally have include BMW's added emphasis on X vehicles, given the current economic climate, this necessarily means focus away from cars.

Many of us enthusiasts, your core market, are skeptical that BMW can sustain the investment in these M cars given the added attention of the X SAVs.

Clearly turbo charging will offer great fuel economy but will the KERs system help eliminate the turbo lag in the new M cars?

It is not enough to just beat the competition in the era with tighter requirments for emissions, we need the new M cars to deliver a much better experience that the current M cars....(which is pretty difficult).

Can you please provide some insight into BMW's thinking here for the M division?
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oh and scotty man ur serious but thanks for explaining.. but I was joking ..u know that dont u?
Well, not trying to start a war here, but isn't traditionally, European car makers have longer product cycles than, say, Japanese car makers?

No doubt Audi is doing a great job in releasing some attractive new models, but in terms of driving dynamics, they are still behind, getting close though.

And no, I am not jealous, if you know what i've had, and what i have now, you'll know why.
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thats for the little people.
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it would be great if we had 7er coupe or 6er sedan too , 1er sedan man thats a small car I hate the idea of 1er seadn really , ever asked urself why arent there 2 series?
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the current 6 series has to last another 5 years? NO WAY. thatd mean a life of 9 years. its usually only 7 years
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so is the next-gen 1er, in whatever form, due in the u.s. as an '11 0r '12?
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the current 6 series has to last another 5 years? NO WAY. thatd mean a life of 9 years. its usually only 7 years
no way the 6 series will wait that much!! Makes no sense!! 9 years!!! I will be old !!
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It's a bit hard to swallow at nearly $47,000, though. Equipped with only the cold weather package, steering wheel shift paddles, automatic transmission, and satellite radio, you're talking a couple hundred bills north of $38,000, a far more reasonable sum for a car that's fast, fun, and carries the cachet of the BMW name.

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As you'd expect the BMW 1-Series is smaller than its big brother the 3-Series. It gives up size and interior room with little price discount but keeps the marque's legendary performance. There's a lot to like here if you can view the back seat as an extension of the trunk, but the best value is a lightly optioned example.

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If the next z4 comes out in 09. What year can we expect the next z4m?
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