What are obama's accomplishments?

[Tortfeasor 335xi]

Originally Posted by ScotchAndCigar

Strange that at least a half-dozen members are "attacking" other posters, but you single me out. Bet I know why.

Anyway, I was just informing you that the OP's list only reflects his views, and is not an objective compilation of the posts in this thread.

I only singled you out, as you singled me out.

And while the OP's list may or may not be objective, I think it still can be a fruitful focus for the debate, assuming anything can keep it on track.

Political threads rarely ever stay focused.

[M3Bahn]

Originally Posted by 11Series

I'm just saying that the other two lines represent real statistics of real people getting jobs. Those are real people who went from being unemployed to employed.

They are just 3 sets of statistics, not "real" or "fake" stats. Each measures different groups of real people.

Ths SGS statistic is also called the "Stay at Home Mommie" stat, because it includes women who have decided of their own free will to become housewives and permanently remove themselves from the workforce.


The SGS is important for what it is, just like ALL the U* stats are important to measure the unemployed people they measure. But the number of stay at home housewives isn't some all-important overruling measure of unemployment that obliterates the importance of ALL the other people who have found jobs and become employed.

The SGS is the real unemployment rate.
Are you calling "long-term discouraged workers" unemployed the government does not count "stay at home mommies" ?

[M3Bahn]

Originally Posted by ScotchAndCigar

Strange that at least a half-dozen members are "attacking" other posters, but you single me out. Bet I know why.

Anyway, I was just informing you that the OP's list only reflects his views, and is not an objective compilation of the posts in this thread.

Originally Posted by ScotchAndCigar

Yeah, because the day after inauguration, he should've sprinkled his magic dust and created millions of jobs as the recession was reaching it's peak. Idiot.

You know, why the hell does any of this matter? Doesn't affect my life. I'm kinda glad you hate him, because you have 5 more years to be miserable.

Or maybe he'll be beaten by one of those fine republican candidates.

Didn't you just call someone an idiot?

[11Series]

Originally Posted by OldArmy

9.1% unemployment and rising for the last couple of months (7.8 when Nobama raised his right hand).

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I don't think you understand exactly what the U3 unemployment rate you quoted measures. The U3 is a TRAILING measure. It is the number of people who have been unemployed for 15 weeks or longer.

It is a 15 week trailing measure. So only people who lost their jobs 15 weeks before Jan 20th 2009 would appear in any statistics taken on that exact day. In other words, it would be only people who lost their jobs AT LEAST on October 7th 2008 or EARLIER.

Even if you say that Obama is responsible for every single person who lost their job starting Jan. 20th, 2009, people who lost their job on Jan 20th 2009 won't even appear in these statistics until April 5th, 2009. So the first stats that reflect people losing their jobs under Obama's watch are the April statistics.

That's why I used the 9.4% number earlier, because that is the very earliest that people who lost their jobs starting the day Obama took office. The difference between 7.8% and 9.4% represent people who lost their jobs while BUSH was president.

Or do you believe that Obama is responsible for people losing their jobs between October 2008, and Jan 20th 2009 before Obama was even sworn in?

[11Series]

Originally Posted by M3Bahn

The SGS is the real unemployment rate.
Are you calling "long-term discouraged workers" unemployed the government does not count "stay at home mommies" ?

Like I said, REAL people got REAL jobs that are reflected in the U-1 through U-6 statistics. Are you saying these aren't REAL people? These are the people actually looking for jobs, which are the only folks who can actually be impacted by any Obama policies. These are completely valid statistics. The SGS doesn't hold a monopoly on being "real".


Your second sentence isn't really a sentence, so I'll guess at what you are trying to say. If you are saying that the SGS doesn't include "stay at home mommies", you are wrong. Any mother who had a job and left the workforce is included. Same with people who were disabled (including wounded soldiers returning from war), people who retired early before reaching age 65, people who were put in jail, people who work for cash under the table but aren't officially employed, etc. That's why that statistic was removed in 1994 from the official statistics. It is a real measure of real people, just like U1 or U3 or U6, but it isn't anything but another measure. One that was rejected as meaningful back in 1994.

If you think otherwise, please provide a link to your proof.


Frankly, after all the right wing regurgitators all wrongly claimed over and over in early 2008 that the economy was strong, and there was no recession, the right wing talking heads lost all credibility.