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      09-24-2008, 08:12 PM   #1
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Why the GT-R FAILS. *cry*

Florida man cancels Nissan GT-R order due to 'black box'



A Florida man named Scott Weires has canceled the order for his long-awaited Nissan GT-R. Why? It's not that he was disappointed in the car's performance credentials, far from it. The problem is that the GT-R is equipped with a 'black box', similar in theory to the kind found on airplanes to help determine what went wrong in case of an accident or breakdown. By the end of 2012, car buyers won't have a choice as to whether their new car is equipped with a 'black box,' or Electronic Data Recorder -- they will be federally mandated to carry one. These devices track information that could be useful to the manufacturer in determining exactly what is, or has been, going on with a car. There are a few worries, though, that warranty claims could be denied if the automaker, Nissan in this case, deems that the car was being raced or abused in some way or by police or lawyers to determine culpability. Nissan's GT-R carries an on-board recorder that keeps track of the past few day's worth of driving and cannot be disabled. In the case of Scott Weires, an attorney no less, that was enough to look elsewhere. Would it be for you?

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http://www.autoweek.com/apps/pbcs.dl...&rssfeed=rss01


noooooooooo, just when I thought godzilla was unbeatable! :'(


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Wow, Nissan denis warranty claims because "VDC was used"

GTR FTL
http://www.nagtroc.org/forums/index....ic=25361&st=20

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So if every car is gonna be equipped with it, what difference does it make if the gt-r is equipped with it? besides, even if u crash racing without a black-box, the police will most likely be able to determine that you were racing anyway. FAIL, on his part in my opinion, I would've never consider losing it (maybe not in red).
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      09-24-2008, 09:21 PM   #4
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wouldn't bother me....i wouldn't cancel my order for my M3 if it had an electronic data recorder. As mentioned there is already implemented technology in place that performs the same functions.
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FAILS?

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I wouldnt get one right now either, BMW wont know how many times you launch your car and 1/4 mile it at the track... With this new on board CPU they can know if you disable traction control and void your powertrain warrantee!! F that! I am 100% sure that someone will come out with a device that can clear the recorder and then everyone will be happy, except for Nissan of course
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I really wonder how long data is saved - I don't think everything will be recorded since that would require quite some memory/storage. Does anybody know how much data the E92 M3 ECU can store??
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So if every car is gonna be equipped with it, what difference does it make if the gt-r is equipped with it? besides, even if u crash racing without a black-box, the police will most likely be able to determine that you were racing anyway. FAIL, on his part in my opinion, I would've never consider losing it (maybe not in red).
+1 and +1 on red lol. Maybe it'll look better in real-life. I though the new M3 wasnt nice in red but I know someone with one and it's hot.
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The car fails for a much simpler reason - it's fugly as hell...
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BMW can download everything that you do to your engine.....rpm....etc....so they knmow about revs and sustained speed.....It is already here.....I would like one that could detect the exploits of the driver and recreate them....i.e.....a bj on route 41...etc.
They even know how long your car has been off. They asked me that when I asked them to unlock the trunk when I locked the keyfob in my car. I had not registered for bmw assist yet so they had to verify my identity somehow and that was one of their many questions.
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I wouldnt get one right now either, BMW wont know how many times you launch your car and 1/4 mile it at the track... With this new on board CPU they can know if you disable traction control and void your powertrain warrantee!! F that! I am 100% sure that someone will come out with a device that can clear the recorder and then everyone will be happy, except for Nissan of course
I think our bmws record how many times you disable traction control
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I really wonder how long data is saved - I don't think everything will be recorded since that would require quite some memory/storage. Does anybody know how much data the E92 M3 ECU can store??
Man! when even a cell phone can have 16G of internal storage and it is less than $100 to have a 16G SD card or 32G CF card, is storage still an issue? How about a 120G solid state drive?
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Woah I actually freaked when I first saw this article. My friend was going to pick up a GTR about 2 weeks ago and had to cancel his order because the contract on his job ended. His name is Scott. He lives in Florida.

Go figure.
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Woah I actually freaked when I first saw this article. My friend was going to pick up a GTR about 2 weeks ago and had to cancel his order because the contract on his job ended. His name is Scott. He lives in Florida.

Go figure.


Sad to hear about your mate. Has he got any plan for getting the GTR in the future?
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Sad to hear about your mate. Has he got any plan for getting the GTR in the future?
He's still first on the list for the V-Spec. He needs to get a job soon.

He actually has more than enough means to get the GTR, he just decided that, given his current situation, a $100k (with markup) car isn't the best thing for him.
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Honestly, who cares if this guy cancelled his order?
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I think our bmws record how many times you disable traction control
I highly doubt it does, and even if it does BMW wont void your warrantee because of it like Nissas will, you have to sign a piece of paper when you get a GTR that states what will void your warrantee and the traction control disble bit is on there when you sing the contract... Thats BS!
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This is fucking stupid...

"Yeah, lets make a 470 HP twin turbocharged car, but lets put a black box in it so they drive like Grandmas"
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I think our bmws record how many times you disable traction control
BMW cannot void your warranty for you using an OEM function. The button's right there on the dash! If you live in an area that sees a lot of snow in the winter, for example, you will have to disengage that many times to get going in the snow.

On the other hand, if they would by chance record that, they could look at that, in conjunction with seeing high speeds and redlining, to determine you were driving recklessly.
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He's still first on the list for the V-Spec. He needs to get a job soon.

He actually has more than enough means to get the GTR, he just decided that, given his current situation, a $100k (with markup) car isn't the best thing for him.
Well thats good to hear. Make sure you get pics when he gets his ride
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BMW cannot void your warranty for you using an OEM function. The button's right there on the dash! If you live in an area that sees a lot of snow in the winter, for example, you will have to disengage that many times to get going in the snow.

On the other hand, if they would by chance record that, they could look at that, in conjunction with seeing high speeds and redlining, to determine you were driving recklessly.
+1 that's right.
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