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      12-20-2014, 12:24 AM   #23
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My first wife took that option without telling me. Then she had someone else's child during our first year of marriage but had to keep that one. I'm still troubled 18 years later. Her daughter now wonders who would have been the better father. How fucked is that for both of us???
Extremely fucked. I'm sorry for you for this.
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I'd totally go to the Womans Pride parade if they were all walking around topless, I would then plan my attack on the most attractive women there (if there are any), and I will pretend to myself, be a feminist, and then get phone numbers.


I think a Womans Pride parade is a genius idea. Do they hold on in NC by chance?
Odds are your pretense will be seen through and thus produce worse results than you expect. Lying is not ever a good way to get what one wants.

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Hmmm...interesting. Do share some more of your enlightened views on abortion and why it is so wonderful. After all, I'm one of those neanderthal males that would take an opposing view and be quite happy if they stopped.
I don't expressly have a view about abortion as I'll never have one and I think whether one does or not is something the woman must live with according to her own system of values. The relief or anguish she suffers as a result of having or not having an abortion is hers to bear, not mine, and it will be greater than anything I might experience were a woman I impregnate to have an abortion.

I do have an opinion on when life begins and in my mind, it begins when one is born. Therefore I don't believe that that which is unborn exists in sufficient enough a state that the rest of us need be legally concerned about its rights.

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This shit belongs in the politics section.
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This shit belongs in the politics section.
NEVARRR!!! I like it where it is. I don't go into the politics section...politics is messed up and so dividing. Everyone thinks they are right...its just annoying.
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Haha, I can't believe this all is still needed. I'd like to think its enough for everyone that people are happy. And yes, I know we are far from that. Even in my country, idiots are everywhere, worst example of course comes from the religious party. A female, doctor, and willing to ban abortions. That's so sick in my books. The most liberating law we have and female willing to take away our rights. She also keeps insisting that gay people should stay in closets.
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Well, to me it's one of the most liberating laws there is in our country. Before that, women were doomed to single parenting/ bad marriages if an accident happened. For women also to have a chance to walk away, it's important option. It in no way takes away the need to educate on birth control, and give other options too, but when I think about for example me as a parent in the age of lets say 18, that would not have been pretty, and I doubt I could've given up my kiddo even if it would've been the best option.

I as a woman wouldn't want to live in a place where a mistake, mine or someone elses could doom me for life, if the fix was this easy.

No, I haven't had one, and I doubt even if an accident had happened, would've taken that option, but it is great to know that exists.
Well, I appreciate you taking this seriously...here are my thoughts and I don't really expect many to agree.

At the heart of the matter, as a Christian, I do believe that life starts at conception. So although not born yet (as another poster alluded to), I see it still as life. And I think that's perhaps the most important difference that divides the two positions.

Because if it is life, how can killing someone be viewed as a good thing? As a liberating law? To kill someone who has no voice, no say in the matter, all under the guise of woman's rights? What about all the rights of the unborn women who are killed - should they not matter if it was only about women's rights?

Are there not other options - ie. if you do not want to have a child, there are many adoption agencies and people out there who are not fortunate enough to have a child who would love to have someone else's.

And I suppose another point that bothers me...in the majority of these cases (rape aside), it was a joint (hopefully) choice to have sex and with that, no matter what contraception you use, you always must face the fact that you *could* become pregnant. You made a choice, and a pregnancy resulted - why should that result in someone who is innocent in the matter being aborted?
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Well, I appreciate you taking this seriously...here are my thoughts and I don't really expect many to agree.

At the heart of the matter, as a Christian, I do believe that life starts at conception. So although not born yet (as another poster alluded to), I see it still as life. And I think that's perhaps the most important difference that divides the two positions.

Because if it is life, how can killing someone be viewed as a good thing? As a liberating law? To kill someone who has no voice, no say in the matter, all under the guise of woman's rights? What about all the rights of the unborn women who are killed - should they not matter if it was only about women's rights?

Are there not other options - ie. if you do not want to have a child, there are many adoption agencies and people out there who are not fortunate enough to have a child who would love to have someone else's.

And I suppose another point that bothers me...in the majority of these cases (rape aside), it was a joint (hopefully) choice to have sex and with that, no matter what contraception you use, you always must face the fact that you *could* become pregnant. You made a choice, and a pregnancy resulted - why should that result in someone who is innocent in the matter being aborted?
I absolutely agree with you in many things in your post, and thank you also for taking this seriously.

In my view, educating about birth control is the key to this all, but we all know accidents do happen. For men, it is easier to walk away, but for women it is pretty damn hard. I have seen this many times in my life, the last time while in the states and in some town in Tennessee (if I remember correctly) I found a 14, soon to be 15 year old girl, a child in my view crying next to my car, because the car was pretty, and her life was over. She had found out that she was pregnant a few days earlier, and the realization what was to become of her was settling in.

I left her my number so if she needed help I would make it happen. I am not saying an abortion is the only way, but the scars she will wear for the rest of her life no matter of the decision are bad enough already.

We are humans and we fuck up a lot. Too many times this option should've been taken just for the good of humanity. Man gets to leave the bed, and do it all over again in a few minutes, we women carry the child inside of us for the 40 weeks, and then we will bare the traumas of the birth, the wait, the giving up/ keeping the kid and possibly losing all prospects of a better future. Can you honestly say when not just thinking about the ethics and the time life begins, this is fair?
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I absolutely agree with you in many things in your post, and thank you also for taking this seriously.

In my view, educating about birth control is the key to this all, but we all know accidents do happen. For men, it is easier to walk away, but for women it is pretty damn hard. I have seen this many times in my life, the last time while in the states and in some town in Tennessee (if I remember correctly) I found a 14, soon to be 15 year old girl, a child in my view crying next to my car, because the car was pretty, and her life was over. She had found out that she was pregnant a few days earlier, and the realization what was to become of her was settling in.

I left her my number so if she needed help I would make it happen. I am not saying an abortion is the only way, but the scars she will wear for the rest of her life no matter of the decision are bad enough already.

We are humans and we fuck up a lot. Too many times this option should've been taken just for the good of humanity. Man gets to leave the bed, and do it all over again in a few minutes, we women carry the child inside of us for the 40 weeks, and then we will bare the traumas of the birth, the wait, the giving up/ keeping the kid and possibly losing all prospects of a better future. Can you honestly say when not just thinking about the ethics and the time life begins, this is fair?
Its an interesting question. Ultimately, I suppose I see it as a poor choice to have sex if you are unprepared for the consequences. Not really a matter of whether it is "fair" or not.

However, I do agree with your viewpoint that men tend to get to "walk away"...there truly isn't as much repercussions I would say for men, as opposed to women. To that end, I also wouldn't be opposed for making the laws more supportive in that case where men have to be more responsible for their actions as well...after all, it was a joint decision.
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Its an interesting question. Ultimately, I suppose I see it as a poor choice to have sex if you are unprepared for the consequences. Not really a matter of whether it is "fair" or not.

However, I do agree with your viewpoint that men tend to get to "walk away"...there truly isn't as much repercussions I would say for men, as opposed to women. To that end, I also wouldn't be opposed for making the laws more supportive in that case where men have to be more responsible for their actions as well...after all, it was a joint decision.
Of course one should not have sex without realizing the consequences, but people do. I have, so no moral high ground here. I also think men should have more of a say in this all in all.

Abstinence as an answer is one that can't be supported by me ever. That just seems to lead to the no sex before marriage thinking, which puts us back to stone age again.
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Of course one should not have sex without realizing the consequences, but people do. I have, so no moral high ground here. I also think men should have more of a say in this all in all.

Abstinence as an answer is one that can't be supported by me ever. That just seems to lead to the no sex before marriage thinking, which puts us back to stone age again.

Mmmm...no sex before marriage. Another thing I agree with!

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Mmmm...no sex before marriage. Another thing I agree with!

See, we are very different people! And so, here's a little image of how I think you see me...just so you have a mental picture next time you see me posting!
Despite our very different views in this, we managed to have a good conversation about it. That indeed is rare, and though either changed their mind, I feel this was worth the time on the keyboard. Thank you for that.
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Despite our very different views in this, we managed to have a good conversation about it. That indeed is rare, and though either changed their mind, I feel this was worth the time on the keyboard. Thank you for that.
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This is what Christmas is all about. Gathering and love.




I too had a gathering of love in the form of my pride with women in the form of a parade the other night. Sheer inspiration and passion. Mmmm.
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Its an interesting question. Ultimately, I suppose I see it as a poor choice to have sex if you are unprepared for the consequences. Not really a matter of whether it is "fair" or not.

However, I do agree with your viewpoint that men tend to get to "walk away"...there truly isn't as much repercussions I would say for men, as opposed to women. To that end, I also wouldn't be opposed for making the laws more supportive in that case where men have to be more responsible for their actions as well...after all, it was a joint decision.
I would tend to agree that there needs to be something put in place that puts a very heavy burden on a man who actually does walk away. I don't know exactly what that burden should be, but I think that insofar as the woman couldn't get pregnant without him, the guy has just as responsibility for the consequences and impacts on both their lives, regardless of whether one has an abortion or not. The problem isn't getting pregnant, the problem is copulating irresponsibly.

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