09-28-2010, 10:08 PM | #23 |
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really cool bike, but that was a weird and very one sided article...
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09-28-2010, 10:09 PM | #24 |
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I think the $90,000 was too high of an estimate, but not that far off. I read in Road and Track that Michelin spent millions of dollars developing tires that were strong and heat-resistant enough to go 260 mph yet compliant enough for everyday driving. A set of tires alone costs $17,000; the special wheels with Michelin’s run-flat PAX system are an additional $43,000.
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09-28-2010, 11:20 PM | #25 |
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99% of moms driving Toyota Siennas would agree!
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09-28-2010, 11:41 PM | #27 |
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At MAX speed, The Bugatti Veyron's tires will melt off the rims in approx 15 minutes, however, it will run out of fuel in 10-12 minutes. Pretty crazy...
read up on it and how it works here http://www.howstuffworks.com/bugatti.htm/printable
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09-29-2010, 08:35 AM | #29 |
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I'm not a bike guy so I'll freely admit that maybe I just don't "get it." But I'll always take 4 wheels and 4 sets of brakes over 2 wheels and 2 sets of brakes. That's what gives cars the advantage through corners. Motorcycles are quick because they're light; just an engine with wheels, really. If you do that to a car (i recall the Ariel Atom test on Top Gear) it will be quicker than a bike.
That said, I have much respect for the 1000rr because it is very impressive. It's just not for me. |
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09-29-2010, 09:39 AM | #30 |
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Great bike
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To make matters more complicated, Bugatti requires that you change tires every year no matter the miles - that's because they might deform/age/get-hit-by-cosmic-rays/whatever and are no longer certified for top speed after 1 year. And for icing on this cake, they require the wheels to be changed every 2 years as well - because, yep, you've guessed it, they can go out of round and basically are no longer certified for top speed runs after 2 years. We haven't even gone into mechanical maintenance per se. These things, perhaps even more so than the initial purchase cost, are what separates the buyer category who can really afford a Veyron from everybody else.
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09-29-2010, 10:49 AM | #32 | |
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The difference is, when it comes to riding a motorcycle, someone is eventually going to pull the trigger for you. I see motorcyclists in the emergency department all the time and they just "can't believe" that a@@hole "cut them off". Lots of people, at times, are not paying attention when they drive. Thats why cars have crumple zones, seat belts and umpteen airbags now. So when you design a mode of transportation that is much more likely to not be seen and then eliminate all of those safety systems, its not really surprising to see such a high percentage of deaths in the ED involving motorcycles. So its the other drivers that screw you, and then the laws of physics that smash your head into the ground. The bottom line is, it's quite dangerous over time no matter how you slice it. If someone enjoys it and wants to "live a little" thats totally cool with me (not that it matters what I think), but most don't understand the magnitude of the risk. (although I still don't understand why I get a ticket for not buckling up, but its ok to ride a motorcycle; in many places without a helmet.) Many rationalize that they are extremely skilled on a bike and its just those that don't know what they are doing that are at high risk which simply isn't true. But don't get me wrong, I very much respect your right to ride, want it to be fun and hope you stay safe! |
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Hi, You are seriously living my automotive dream life. That is basically my dream garage. Sincerely, Schm
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I won't argue with any of that because it is born out statistically in the HURT study. Every time I swing my leg over my bike, I know it could be my last day alive. I'm very aware and seeking out the first sign of any such risks every second I'm on my bike, and that takes complete concentration at a level that I don't get to in a car. On the other hand, extreme concentration on something so basic as self preservation is extraordinarily mentally relaxing because it necessitates pushing aside life's stresses that for me won't yield any other way. Some have compared it to meditation, and that mental relief alone is worth the risk for some. Not to mention the fact that very few cars under let's say $500k (and I've driven some amazing cars owned by people other than me) can compare to a current technology litre+ bike in terms of pure driving exhilaration. It kind of ruins you for fast cars because so few even come close.
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http://www.sportrider.com/bikes/146_...son/index.html Just like anything though, you can always find one vehicle that will beat another, especially if you get esoteric enough.
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As a previous owner of super sport class motorcycle. I can say without a doubt there is no car I have ever driven that is as much fun or as fast as my GSXR-1000 and I have driven some seriously fast and fun cars like Ford GT etc.
I just love the BMW 1000 RR it is a great machine for great price. However, I have to say the car is 100 times safer then a motorcycle. In USA you really have to watch your back all the time as a motorcyclist. Because people treat motorcyclist as third class citizens on road and do not watch out for them. Most of the time the motorcycle wrecks are the fault of some one in an SUV, truck or a car. People do not watch out and run into you or cut you off in a really bad fashion. I think motorcyles are more safer to drive in european or asian countries then in the USA. As people are more used to them in europe/asia and actually know how to share the road with them.
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