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      09-17-2014, 09:24 AM   #23
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Fuel consumption will be 'on the limit' in Singapore - Renault

http://en.espnf1.com/singapore/motor...ry/175487.html

Renault is expecting fuel consumption to be on the limit at this weekend's Singapore Grand Prix, with the stop-start nature of the track meaning it is one of the most challenging races of the year.

Under the 2014 regulations, the V6 turbo power units are limited to just 100kg of fuel over the course of a race but are much more efficient and draw on more power from energy recovery systems. Much like city driving in a road car, the constant braking and acceleration around the streets of Singapore means fuel consumption is high and could be close to the limit during the race.

"These short bursts of power naturally require good torque response and driveability but they also bring fuel consumption well up," Renault's head of track operations Remi Taffin said. "In fact we will use the largest amount of fuel per lap over the season here and we will be right on the limit of the 100kg permitted. To put this in context, last year we used 150kg of fuel - over 30% more. Here, more than anywhere else, shows the advances we have made in efficiency."

Taffin said the stop start nature of the track also provides a workout for the MGU-K part of the energy recovery system.

"The Energy Store and MGU-K are really put through their paces. Each braking event is long and hard, particularly around the 'hotel' section through the grandstands, where the K will be able to recover enough energy to keep the battery at a relatively high level of charge throughout the lap. In contrast, the MGU-H is used a little less as the short straights between the corners do not really offer ample time for the exhaust to develop a steady flow."

However, Taffin is hoping Renault's hard work on its energy recovery system will pay off this weekend.

"Singapore should suit the Renault Energy F1-2014 far more than the previous two tracks. We've made good progress in energy recovery and management and these two elements are key to success here. We know the competition will still have an edge, but we expect to be closer here than we were at Monza. Getting a good position in qualifying, which should be possible, will set the tone for the race so the focus will be to maximize the one-lap pace and start as far forward as possible."


Read more at http://en.espnf1.com/singapore/motor...118ifqbXLF1.99
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So is complaining that your teammate hit you permitted or not permitted?
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If FIA wants to police radio transmission. How about some pre-recorded messages and only let teams choose and play when needed. Since they pretty much silenced the entire pitwall.
getting tired of seeing all these rules and regs. lets let these guys race!!!!
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http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2014/09/1...eam-radio-ban/

The FIA’s sweeping new restrictions on what types of radio messages teams are allowed to send during races will render many of the communications they have been using illegal.

A review of the radio messages sent during last week’s Italian Grand Prix indicates over a third of them are likely to contravene the FIA’s new guidelines.

The new restrictions will be felt most when it comes to managing the power units, which drivers received many messages about during the last race. Prohibitions on driving style information, fuel saving, tyre condition and race start modes will also be affected.

Most of the FIA’s new limits on radio traffic will be introduced at this weekend’s Singapore Grand Prix. Further restrictions on messages concerning the state of tyres and gearboxes and the learning of gears will be imposed from the following round in Japan.

The Italian Grand Prix under the new restrictions

The following table shows all the radio messages that were broadcast by FOM during the Italian Grand Prix with all the messages that could be outlawed struck out.

This sheds some light on how enforcing the limits is not going to be straightforward. In the case of any grey areas a strict interpretation of the restrictions has been applied.

For example, “other car reporting rear tyres going off” has been deemed illegal on the grounds that drivers may not receive “information on tyre pressures or temperatures”. The stewards may take a more lenient view, but there are potentially many cases like this where the teams will want to define exactly what constitutes a legal and illegal message.

By stating that coded messages are forbidden, the FIA has given teams a clear disincentive to try to get around the rules. However they will still want to communicate as much information as they can to their drivers, and ways could remain for them to do that.

For example, drivers already hear audio tones which tell them when the lift the throttle when heading into braking zones in order to optimise their fuel saving. There appears to be nothing in the rules clarification to stop teams from extending this practice and creating a range of alarms for other warnings – such as poor fuel economy, low battery charge and so on.

The 74 messages broadcast during the Italian Grand Prix was considerably lower than that seen at many other rounds this year. Of those, 27 (36.5%) would be affected by the new rules.

That does not necessarily mean we will hear fewer messages in the broadcasts. One team indicated the number of their messages which were broadcast represented only 10% of all the messages they gave their drivers. Therefore we may simply hear more of the messages which were legal to begin with. As the limits apply to practice and qualifying as well, we’ll get the first indication of their impact on Friday.
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"Multi 21, Vettel"

Will codes start becoming more prevalent now?
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Lots of penalties mixing up the grid this weekend, seems to be.

http://www.pitpass.com/52468/Penalti...y-in-Singapore

Heading in to this weekend's Singapore Grand Prix, nine drivers are staring down the barrel of potential grid penalties.

With each driver allowed just five components of their engine each season, several have already reached that number after Daniil Kvyat became the first driver penalised for an out of sequence change in Italy under the overly complicated rules.

Under the regulations the 'power unit' comprises the Internal Combustion Engine (ICE), Motor Generator Unit -Kinetic (MGU-K) and -Heat (MGU-H), Turbo Charger (TC), Energy Store (ES) and Control Electronics (EC). Teams opting to use a sixth of any component will incur a 10-place penalty for the first change, and a further 5-place penalty for subsequent changes. The process is repeated if teams then opt for a seventh of any component and so on, and means almost all drivers will face an engine-related grid penalty this year.

Pastor Maldonado is the man most at risk of being penalised this weekend. Having already used five ICE, TC, MGU-K and MGU-H components any issues would impact him heavily around the Marina Bay circuit, where overtaking is difficult. Teammate Romain Grosjean is on his fifth turbo.

Both Ferrari drivers have used five ICEs and CEs, while Kimi Raikkonen has also used a fifth MGU-H.

The Ferrari-powered Marussia team is also at risk of a penalty, which would be carried over to subsequent races should the full penalty not apply this race (which would effectively mean either Marussia driver would carry a penalty at each race for the remainder of the season), Jules Bianchi and Max Chilton having used five ICEs, TCs and MGU-Hs. Bianchi has also used five CEs.

Elsewhere, reigning world champion Sebastian Vettel has used five ICEs, while Adrian Sutil has also used a fifth TC and MGU-H. Jean-Eric Vergne has used five MGU-Ks, as had Kvyat, who would receive just a five-place penalty should Toro Rosso choose to replace any component of his engine bar the ICE.

http://www.pitpass.com/52467/Singapo...-Unit-elements
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Dry race guaranteed! Sometimes I heard that organizers do that before major events like Olympics Opening-Closing ceremonies.

http://www.pitpass.com/52470/Dry-rac...-for-Singapore

As the F1 circus touches down in Singapore, one thing the teams can count on this weekend is a dry race.

Though it is hot and humid, not to mention the middle of monsoon season, the Singapore Grand Prix has never been held in the wet. It's a curious fact given the average rainfall in Singapore for September is nearly 200mm, about five times that of London's annual average, but when Formula One comes to town the weekend is invariably dry.

A wet race, under lights around the Marina Bay circuit is a worse-case scenario for organisers. It raises safety issues around a circuit which already generates safety cars during racing, and would have an impact on television coverage - a point almost certainly not lost on the commercial rights holder.
To circumvent that problem the Singapore government has a rather unique solution - it seeds clouds in an effort to have the rain fall before it ever reaches Singapore.

It's a common practice in some parts, with planes flown into cloud systems (or rockets launched into them) before unloading salt (or silver iodine) into the atmosphere, helping provide crystals around which the moisture can condense and therefore triggering precipitation.

Cloud seeding was first discovered in the 1940s and has been used around the world since. Last year the Singapore government confirmed it was working with the Indonesian government to seed clouds off the coast, to have the rain fall on a forest in Indonesia which was ablaze at the time.

Therefore, despite what you may read or hear this weekend, we are all but assured of a dry Grand Prix.
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Friggin FIA, now making changes to the rule changes they made earlier this week. Things like this annoys me a lot.

http://www1.skysports.com/f1/news/12...adio-clampdown

Having announced its decision last week to stop the flow of radio messages concerning car and driver performance, the governing body then sent teams a second directive comprehensively listing what can and cannot be said starting at this weekend's Singapore GP.

However, some drivers suggested on Thursday that certain types of message relating to the management of F1’s hybrid power units – which were listed as banned - should still be relayed.

The concern is that without these messages, components such as the car’s ERS battery and rear brakes – which are now controlled by brake-by-wire systems and frequently adjusted as the battery charges – might be damaged or overheat, causing retirement or even an accident.

However, after a meeting of team managers at the Marina Bay Circuit on Thursday, Sky F1’s Ted Kravitz tweeted that a new directive will be issued, meaning that such messages will be allowed after all.

Compromise on team radio restriction: a new directive will be issued allowing tech management msgs. All details in Friday practice on #skyf1

Although items like ‘balancing the SOC (a battery’s state of charge) or adjusting for performance’ and ‘information on brake balance or BBW (brake-by-wire) settings’ have been listed as banned, both Sebastian Vettel and Felipe Massa said that drivers should be kept informed in case problems arise.

Besides explicitly coaching drivers and telling them, for example, where they’re losing time to rivals, the clampdown also means that teams can't relay information on factors like fuel consumption.

Managing fuel could cause problems at Singapore's street track, which hosts the season's longest race. Yet according to Vettel: “The main difficulty is not necessarily stuff like the fuel because it’s simple to put up a certain target to follow [on the car's dash]. But in terms of managing the components, and the way they work with each other, it will be very difficult for us."

The World Champion said that the new, more complex, hybrid cars are “not as simple as managing KERS in the past. If that was the case then the radio ban’s not a problem.

“But it could be a problem if you want to manage the state of charge throughout the whole race. That’s the reason we have so many people in the garage.”

Massa went even further, saying: “In some areas it’s fine. The team tells you not to use the tyres so much in corner five because you’re using them too much compared to your team-mate. This is okay, this is not a problem.

“But you have so many things in the car that we’re doing – because if you don’t do [them] maybe you put too much temperature in the rear brakes because the battery gets too high and you just put fire in the car. Maybe you can have a big accident.

“We don’t know what the temperature is for the battery, we cannot see. We don’t know that.

“There’s a very complicated power unit in the car which is not related to the driver. If you’re not using the right settings, forget it. You’ll not do two laps.”
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Funny to see that the complaints are coming from drivers struggling against their younger less experienced team mates...

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I've actually never watched a Singapore GP so I'm curious to see how this turns out.

It seems like the FIA implements new rules every few races to keep the season spiced up, but in actuality it only creates more frustration for drivers and teams and makes fans agitated over how outrageous the rules are. I actually agree that radio talk should be limited in some cases, but in this instance they're trying to do too much at once. With these new regs, it would be better to implement them at the beginning of a new season.
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Radio messages should be in English too. I'm looking at you Ferrari. I feel like it gives them a slight advantage (and also rude)..but I guess either way it's not helping them anyway.
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I'm glad they revised the rule. Car performance ok, driver coaching not alright! To me, that is common sense.

Plus, I was going to miss hearing "box, box, box!"
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E90Slam: Nice Video. I didn't feel that the Review gave much motivation for those workers. Feels like "2015 isn't coming soon enough"
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I'm glad they revised the rule. Car performance ok, driver coaching not alright! To me, that is common sense.

Plus, I was going to miss hearing "box, box, box!"
I wear this on Race weekends, and no one would get it.

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I wear this on Race weekends, and no one would get it.

lol nice t-shirt
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Much as I tried not to, I really like Christian he comes across really well, very articulate and gives pretty straight answers.
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Sweet, Alonso just got his Ferrari into P1 with a time of 1:49.056s

Oops and Vettel brushed the pit lane wall with his front tire
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