Wavetrac or Quaife?

whn · 01-05-2010, 05:29 PM

I ordered new Quaife LSD few weeks ago and it looks like that USPS has losted the package totally.
So Im going to get my money back from USPS

And since I got no LSD I need to buy new, which one I should go with Quaife or Wavetrac?

Thanks

PLAY · 01-05-2010, 05:44 PM

QUaife, many good reviews. not sure about wavetrac.

enrita · 01-05-2010, 05:55 PM

Both are very good. The wavetrak seems to have more features but i have the quaife and its the best mod you can do.

dlbrooks18 · 01-05-2010, 05:58 PM

I've had the Quaife for eight months now and still loving all my newfound traction

zsapphire7 · 01-05-2010, 05:58 PM

quaife has many years of solid reliability under its belt. wavertac is unproven since its new but it will offer traction when one wheel is on ice/has none at all. Coin flip! Wavertac has the ideal features but we won't know its reliability till many years down the road.

Mr. 5 · 01-05-2010, 06:33 PM

I have the Wavetrac and have beat it to death.
I ran a 12.1 with it and ran a 1.56 at Laguna Seca.
I love it!

hun77777 · 01-05-2010, 11:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nick.CBR

I don't get it. Isn't Quaife supposed to do the same thing - i.e. lock both axles together in low traction times? What's the difference?

How many features can you get in an LSD? I mean, it either works or it doesn't?

Please explain.

Thanks!

Nick

this should help, buddy!
http://www.e90post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=305069

whn · 01-06-2010, 04:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr. 5

I have the Wavetrac and have beat it to death.
I ran a 12.1 with it and ran a 1.56 at Laguna Seca.
I love it!

I want to buy Wavetrac because of it's unique features in zero-load contions but since Quaife has beens here long time with excellent reviews and reliability it's so hard to choose.

Does anyone know that will the Wavetrac also work like "open LSD" on ordinary driving like Quaife? or does the Wavetrac make the car worse on ordinary driving?

whn · 01-06-2010, 04:28 AM

btw. Is there Break-In perioid on Wavetrac since there's not in Quaife?

whn · 01-06-2010, 04:36 AM

This is weird:
Wavetrac site says

Quote:

Maintenance Free:
As supplied new, the Wavetrac® differential will perform a lifetime of service without maintenance or rebuilds. http://www.wavetrac.net/technical.htm

and there's this post on e90post.com

Quote:

Originally Posted by orionredwing

Wavetrac Maintenance Update: Redline 75W90NS, 1.5qts, 500 miles

I performed a 500 mile gear oil change on my Wavetrac a week or 2 back, and it came out visually clean. My mechanic asked me to skip his previously recommended 3K change and wait for the 10-15K mark. I'll try to get the next one analyzed by Blackstone Labs to dial in the gear oil change intervals (for my driving habit), but that won't be for 6-9 months. So far so good! Almost a month now and no probs.

http://www.e90post.com/forums/showth...light=Wavetrac

Would someone please figure this out?

If I go with Quaife won't need to do any maintance or Break-In perioid but looks like there's both on Wavetrac.

Bomis · 01-06-2010, 04:59 AM

i've had the wavetrac for 6 months now and i really love how it perform......

stressdoc · 01-06-2010, 07:56 AM

Either one will be great. In Europe I would deal with Birds and get a Quaife.

enrita · 01-06-2010, 08:19 AM

You probably need to change oil but not that often. I will do the first oil change in spring after 1 year of usage.

roamer · 01-06-2010, 02:05 PM

Wavetrac is nearly seamless in DD except when you try and power hard out of a corner and you realize what traction REALLY means. It has been extremely impressive in VERY slippery conditions and deep snow (12"). It works quite well with the factory traction control as well, but appears even more effective with DTC engaged only. I have seen no reasons to worry about durability. Be sure to use BMW diff fluid only.

whn · 01-06-2010, 02:57 PM

I just found out that my Quaife LSD is finally in customs and should arrive to me within 2-3 days!

What oil I should use with Quaife LSD?

btw. did you guys replace seals of the core when you installed the LSD?

335e92tx · 01-06-2010, 08:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by whn

I just found out that my Quaife LSD is finally in customs and should arrive to me within 2-3 days!

btw. did you guys replace seals of the core when you installed the LSD?

Glad your troubles are almost over
Used Amsoil on my WT.
Seals should always be replaced.

Craig@SupremePower · 01-06-2010, 08:45 PM

i been waiting on wavetracs lsd for the newer step(auto) cars now they tell me today late spring!!! Grrrrrr...

orionredwing · 01-07-2010, 02:47 AM

Won't go wrong with either. Wavetrac is cheaper. Out of the box, it looks well made. Only time will tell on its reliability, but I'm very optimistic. As Mr 5 mentioned, many of us have tracked it quite a few times already, and it's been fantastic. However, since I live in California, the advantages of the wavetrac vs quaife (when a wheel is lifted off the ground) is pretty much insignificant. I don't forsee myself lifting a wheel off the ground for the life of my car.

Which then comes down to a performance consideration, to which I am confident that anyone who has experienced both Wavetrac and Quaife will tell you the same....performance wise, they are equivalent.

Congrats on your Quaife arriving soon, or I'd say give it a try. I like both products, and you won't need to second guess your decision going with either choice.

mig28 · 01-07-2010, 04:13 AM

is there any significant changes on the Auto?

marcel b · 01-07-2010, 04:37 AM

Quaife even has one for the DCT

Wavetrac seems to bit behind.
Currently enquiring the final price tague.

N00bstar · 01-07-2010, 05:11 AM

Hey guys i'm planning to put an LSD on my 335i.
I heard it's gonna make a big difference in driving. and with what i read it looks like you all will agree with that.

The problem is i'm in Belgium (Europe) not easy to find pieces and people who have experience with it.

And orderieng from the US is not that simple. beginning by the shipment costs.

Does anyone know a proffessional in Belgium who could provide me the pieces and the technical info i need.

Is wavetrac distributed in Europe btw?

marcel b · 01-07-2010, 05:43 AM

Birds in the UK is very known and reputable and not that from Brussels. http://www.birdsauto.com/quaife/default.aspx?make=BMW
There is Drexler in Germany, also very good, but a bit more expensive. http://www.drexler-motorsport.com/
Wavetrac is distributed in the UK and in Germany http://www.wavetrac.net/dealers.htm

the installation of a LSD itself is not that difficult and can be done by a good shop.

01-05-2010, 05:29 PM	#1
whn Captain 88 Rep 783 Posts Drives: Range Rover Sport Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Finland iTrader: (3)	Wavetrac or Quaife? I ordered new Quaife LSD few weeks ago and it looks like that USPS has losted the package totally. So Im going to get my money back from USPS And since I got no LSD I need to buy new, which one I should go with Quaife or Wavetrac? Thanks __________________ MY12 Range Rover Sport Autobiography Mods: Coming E92 335i SOLD! Mods: Stage 3+, FULLY LOADED Last edited by whn; 01-06-2010 at 04:17 AM..
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PLAY Second Lieutenant 14 Rep 204 Posts Drives: AWE92N54 Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Toronto iTrader: (0)	QUaife, many good reviews. not sure about wavetrac.
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enrita Major General 159 Rep 7,378 Posts Drives: 335i - Big turbos Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Italian in Sweden iTrader: (0)	Both are very good. The wavetrak seems to have more features but i have the quaife and its the best mod you can do. __________________ 07 335i AT - MOTIV 750 - MHD E85 BMS flash - BMS PI - JB4G5 - Okada Coils - NGK 5992 Plugs - Helix IC - Snow Stg. 3 - Stett CP - Custom midpipes with 100 HJS Cats - Bastuck Quad - PSS10 - QUAIFE LSD - BMS OCC - Forge DVs - AR OC - ALCON BBK - M3 Chassi - Dinan CP - Velocity M rear Toe arms - Advan RZ-DF - LUX H8 - Level 10 AT upgrade
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zsapphire7 Colonel 104 Rep 2,368 Posts Drives: 08 e92 M3 Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: SF Bay Area iTrader: (21)	quaife has many years of solid reliability under its belt. wavertac is unproven since its new but it will offer traction when one wheel is on ice/has none at all. Coin flip! Wavertac has the ideal features but we won't know its reliability till many years down the road.
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whn Captain 88 Rep 783 Posts Drives: Range Rover Sport Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Finland iTrader: (3)	btw. Is there Break-In perioid on Wavetrac since there's not in Quaife? __________________ MY12 Range Rover Sport Autobiography Mods: Coming E92 335i SOLD! Mods: Stage 3+, FULLY LOADED
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stressdoc Moderator 617 Rep 10,855 Posts Drives: BMW i8; Toy 4runner TRD pro Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Waco TX iTrader: (0)	Either one will be great. In Europe I would deal with Birds and get a Quaife. __________________ My recent ED photos: http://f80.bimmerpost.com/forums/sho....php?t=1026808 my not-so-recent ED: http://www.e90post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=31829 Please join BMWCCA http://bmwcca.org/index.php?pageid=c...&ref_by=300279
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enrita Major General 159 Rep 7,378 Posts Drives: 335i - Big turbos Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Italian in Sweden iTrader: (0)	You probably need to change oil but not that often. I will do the first oil change in spring after 1 year of usage. __________________ 07 335i AT - MOTIV 750 - MHD E85 BMS flash - BMS PI - JB4G5 - Okada Coils - NGK 5992 Plugs - Helix IC - Snow Stg. 3 - Stett CP - Custom midpipes with 100 HJS Cats - Bastuck Quad - PSS10 - QUAIFE LSD - BMS OCC - Forge DVs - AR OC - ALCON BBK - M3 Chassi - Dinan CP - Velocity M rear Toe arms - Advan RZ-DF - LUX H8 - Level 10 AT upgrade
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roamer Private 6 Rep 80 Posts Drives: 2007 BMW 335i Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Buffalo, NY iTrader: (0)	Wavetrac is nearly seamless in DD except when you try and power hard out of a corner and you realize what traction REALLY means. It has been extremely impressive in VERY slippery conditions and deep snow (12"). It works quite well with the factory traction control as well, but appears even more effective with DTC engaged only. I have seen no reasons to worry about durability. Be sure to use BMW diff fluid only.
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whn Captain 88 Rep 783 Posts Drives: Range Rover Sport Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Finland iTrader: (3)	I just found out that my Quaife LSD is finally in customs and should arrive to me within 2-3 days! What oil I should use with Quaife LSD? btw. did you guys replace seals of the core when you installed the LSD? __________________ MY12 Range Rover Sport Autobiography Mods: Coming E92 335i SOLD! Mods: Stage 3+, FULLY LOADED
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orionredwing Captain 106 Rep 728 Posts Drives: 335i Sedan, 135i Coupe Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: San Jose iTrader: (0) Garage List 2007 335i [10.00]	Won't go wrong with either. Wavetrac is cheaper. Out of the box, it looks well made. Only time will tell on its reliability, but I'm very optimistic. As Mr 5 mentioned, many of us have tracked it quite a few times already, and it's been fantastic. However, since I live in California, the advantages of the wavetrac vs quaife (when a wheel is lifted off the ground) is pretty much insignificant. I don't forsee myself lifting a wheel off the ground for the life of my car. Which then comes down to a performance consideration, to which I am confident that anyone who has experienced both Wavetrac and Quaife will tell you the same....performance wise, they are equivalent. Congrats on your Quaife arriving soon, or I'd say give it a try. I like both products, and you won't need to second guess your decision going with either choice. __________________ PROcede \| AMS FMIC \| AR Catless DPs \| AR Oil Cooler \| BMS DCI Wavetrac LSD \| KW V3 w/ Swift Springs \| M3 Front Suspension
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mig28 Major 51 Rep 1,312 Posts Drives: She's black, wild, 'n hawt!! Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Da "G" in PLOX! iTrader: (5)	is there any significant changes on the Auto?
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marcel b Lieutenant Colonel 132 Rep 1,898 Posts Drives: F31 340i Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Europe iTrader: (0)	Quaife even has one for the DCT Wavetrac seems to bit behind. Currently enquiring the final price tague.
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N00bstar Registered 0 Rep 2 Posts Drives: '07 335i 353whp - 560Nm Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Brussels Belgium iTrader: (0)	Hey guys i'm planning to put an LSD on my 335i. I heard it's gonna make a big difference in driving. and with what i read it looks like you all will agree with that. The problem is i'm in Belgium (Europe) not easy to find pieces and people who have experience with it. And orderieng from the US is not that simple. beginning by the shipment costs. Does anyone know a proffessional in Belgium who could provide me the pieces and the technical info i need. Is wavetrac distributed in Europe btw? __________________ "I don't drive fast.... i fly slow"
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01-07-2010, 05:43 AM	#22
marcel b Lieutenant Colonel 132 Rep 1,898 Posts Drives: F31 340i Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Europe iTrader: (0)	Birds in the UK is very known and reputable and not that from Brussels. http://www.birdsauto.com/quaife/default.aspx?make=BMW There is Drexler in Germany, also very good, but a bit more expensive. http://www.drexler-motorsport.com/ Wavetrac is distributed in the UK and in Germany http://www.wavetrac.net/dealers.htm the installation of a LSD itself is not that difficult and can be done by a good shop.
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