[kmarei]

not a fan of American muscle cars, but figured someone might be interested in this


http://hsrd.yahoo.com/_ylt=A2KLtcBa....9TPm_K68FBMgQ-

[upstatedoc]

of all of the american muscle cars the camaro is the least desireable to me. I'll take a Mustang 5.0 any day.

[Uber V8]

"17 or 18 year old" who crashed the new ZL1...I just want to know what was his insurance payments!

[MediaArtist]

I'll only buy it if I can use BitCoin.

[P1]

You'd think that in 2014 they'd have made an American car that was able to take corners already!

[Uber V8]

Originally Posted by P1et

You'd think that in 2014 they'd have made an American car that was able to take corners already!

[Litos]

Originally Posted by P1et

You'd think that in 2014 they'd have made an American car that was able to take corners already!

like how the 5.0 runs around the track as good an an M3 !?!?

you mean that one !?!? you mean the $37K 5.0 Mustang that are driven by people wearing Affliction shirts with Famous hats !?!?

that car is just as fast around a track as the $60k+ M3 !?!? cool !!!!!

yeah, I think you're referring to that one......

or...
Or....
OR..........

you're probably referring to the Z28 Camaro that beat two of the most iconic track cars of our time, a 2014 Porsche 911S and 2014 Nissan GT-R Track Edition....

that Camaro beat both cars at Barber Motorsports Park DESPITE having less HP, less torque and being RWD - Randy Pobst test driving all 3 cars...

so yeah, you were probably referring to either of those cars.........just sayin bruh, don't be mad......

[bender rodriguez]

Originally Posted by Litos

like how the 5.0 runs around the track as good an an M3 !?!?

you mean that one !?!? you mean the $37K 5.0 Mustang that are driven by people wearing Affliction shirts with Famous hats !?!?

that car is just as fast around a track as the $60k+ M3 !?!? cool !!!!!

yeah, I think you're referring to that one......

or...
Or....
OR..........

you're probably referring to the Z28 Camaro that beat two of the most iconic track cars of our time, a 2014 Porsche 911S and 2014 Nissan GT-R Track Edition....

that Camaro beat both cars at Barber Motorsports Park DESPITE having less HP, less torque and being RWD - Randy Pobst test driving all 3 cars...

so yeah, you were probably referring to either of those cars.........just sayin bruh, don't be mad......

I do find it funny how much people on these forums trash talk LSx based engines that beat BMW cars that cost 2x as much. Honestly, if you bought BMW as a fast car you bought the wrong car.

[BenchRacerYo]

Originally Posted by Litos

like how the 5.0 runs around the track as good an an M3 !?!?

you mean that one !?!? you mean the $37K 5.0 Mustang that are driven by people wearing Affliction shirts with Famous hats !?!?

that car is just as fast around a track as the $60k+ M3 !?!? cool !!!!!

yeah, I think you're referring to that one......

or...
Or....
OR..........

you're probably referring to the Z28 Camaro that beat two of the most iconic track cars of our time, a 2014 Porsche 911S and 2014 Nissan GT-R Track Edition....

that Camaro beat both cars at Barber Motorsports Park DESPITE having less HP, less torque and being RWD - Randy Pobst test driving all 3 cars...

so yeah, you were probably referring to either of those cars.........just sayin bruh, don't be mad......

While I agree with everything you said, the 5.0 will not track as well as the M3.

5.0<M3<Boss 302

[BenchRacerYo]

Originally Posted by P1et

You'd think that in 2014 they'd have made an American car that was able to take corners already!

Dumb statement is dumb.

-Z28 Camaro (Nurburgring top 25, I believe?)
-ZL1 Camaro (Nurburgring top 50)
-Camaro SS 1LE
-Mustang GT 5.0 Track pack
-Boss 302
-Chevy C6 Corvette base
-Corvette C6 grand sport
-C6 Z06 (14th fastest Nurburgring time)
-C6 ZR1 (12th fastest Nurburgring time)
-Latest gen Viper
-Viper SRT10 ACR
-Cadillac CTS-V
-C7 Stingray
-Saleen cars
-SSC cars
-Ford GT (Le Mans, anyone?)
All American cars that will outhandle and shit on any BMW, stock for stock.

[P1]

Originally Posted by Litos

like how the 5.0 runs around the track as good an an M3 !?!?

you mean that one !?!? you mean the $37K 5.0 Mustang that are driven by people wearing Affliction shirts with Famous hats !?!?

that car is just as fast around a track as the $60k+ M3 !?!? cool !!!!!

yeah, I think you're referring to that one......

or...
Or....
OR..........

you're probably referring to the Z28 Camaro that beat two of the most iconic track cars of our time, a 2014 Porsche 911S and 2014 Nissan GT-R Track Edition....

that Camaro beat both cars at Barber Motorsports Park DESPITE having less HP, less torque and being RWD - Randy Pobst test driving all 3 cars...

so yeah, you were probably referring to either of those cars.........just sayin bruh, don't be mad......

Originally Posted by BenchRacerYo

Dumb statement is dumb.

-Z28 Camaro (Nurburgring top 25, I believe?)
-ZL1 Camaro (Nurburgring top 50)
-Camaro SS 1LE
-Mustang GT 5.0 Track pack
-Boss 302
-Chevy C6 Corvette base
-Corvette C6 grand sport
-C6 Z06 (14th fastest Nurburgring time)
-C6 ZR1 (12th fastest Nurburgring time)
-Latest gen Viper
-Viper SRT10 ACR
-Cadillac CTS-V
-C7 Stingray
-Saleen cars
-SSC cars
-Ford GT (Le Mans, anyone?)
All American cars that will outhandle and shit on any BMW, stock for stock.

The good thing is that all American cars have plastic interiors so it should dry easy after it's lifted out of the pool.

[bender rodriguez]

Originally Posted by P1et

The good thing is that all American cars have plastic interiors so it should dry easy after it's lifted out of the pool.

What ever makes you feel better about get destroyed by a car at half the cost.

[Litos]

Originally Posted by BenchRacerYo

While I agree with everything you said, the 5.0 will not track as well as the M3.

yes it does.....

it was the hot topic back in 2011, when, apparently, you and p1et were sleeping under the same rock......

Randy, again, test driving both cars......


http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/...m3_comparison/




"...For the definitive answer, we go to Randy's times: 87.67 seconds in the BMW to 87.76 seconds for the Ford. That's right, the difference between the fastest laps of the M3 and Mustang GT is, literally, less than an eye blink: 0.09 second, to be exact..."

"...1ST PLACE: BMW M3
Did you blink and miss the M3's onionskin advantage over the GT? Here's a hint: It's in the chassis, not underhood.
2ND PLACE: MUSTANG GT
Never has a loss felt so much like a win. From not once considered to full-blown contender, 5.0 officially puts the world on notice..."


"...It's absolutely amazing how close these two cars are. No fewer than eight times during their fastest laps, the M3 and Mustang GT were tied in position, including at the exit of the very last corner..."

[Litos]

^^^^^ and even in that same article, the non professional driving author said that he was .55 seconds faster in the 5.0 than in the M3...

and that's an average Joe...

[P1]

Originally Posted by Litos

^^^^^ and even in that same article, the non professional driving author said that he was .55 seconds faster in the 5.0 than in the M3...

and that's an average Joe...

They should have high school kids do these tests considering I doubt any self-respecting adult would ever drive a Mustang or Camaro.

Magazines such as Motor Trends are biased towards their advertisers. If Dodge throws them a $100, the Caravan will be crowned Car of the Year.

Unless it's someone from Top Gear UK doing the tests, any opinion or test is worthless.

[Uber V8]

^^ Wow, at first I thought you were joking with the "American Car..." comment.

To my astonishment, you are an interior > every other aspect of a car type of guy huh? Because if that's the only argument you have left, please sit dafuq down.



*I've owned an '03 Cobra and currently drive something that may or may not have a V10 with 500hp*


EDIT: So Motor trend is biased? Ok then, how about The NurBurgring? Top 100 lap times has an 'American Car' coming in at 12th fastest followed by 66th place for the BMW M3 GTS.. oh and a Camaro beat that M3 GTS as well placing in 47th place.

http://nurburgringlaptimes.com/lap-t...times-top-100/

[BenchRacerYo]

Originally Posted by Litos

yes it does.....

it was the hot topic back in 2011, when, apparently, you and p1et were sleeping under the same rock......

Randy, again, test driving both cars......


http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/...m3_comparison/




"...For the definitive answer, we go to Randy's times: 87.67 seconds in the BMW to 87.76 seconds for the Ford. That's right, the difference between the fastest laps of the M3 and Mustang GT is, literally, less than an eye blink: 0.09 second, to be exact..."

"...1ST PLACE: BMW M3
Did you blink and miss the M3's onionskin advantage over the GT? Here's a hint: It's in the chassis, not underhood.
2ND PLACE: MUSTANG GT
Never has a loss felt so much like a win. From not once considered to full-blown contender, 5.0 officially puts the world on notice..."


"...It's absolutely amazing how close these two cars are. No fewer than eight times during their fastest laps, the M3 and Mustang GT were tied in position, including at the exit of the very last corner..."

Faster is faster. And I don't trust the average yahoo, I trust myself. Having driven both on the track, the M3 is worlds better than any base 5.0.

[Uber V8]

Originally Posted by BenchRacerYo

Faster is faster. And I don't trust the average yahoo, I trust myself. Having driven both on the track, the M3 is worlds better than any base 5.0.

You know what, I'd agree with you too. Now, I wouldn't say "worlds" better, but yes I'd say everything considered, the M3 is a better overall car than the 5.0

However, when talking about strictly performance, the M3 and 5.0 are pretty much tied.

[Litos]

Originally Posted by BenchRacerYo

Having driven both on the track

highly doubt that......

just saying that the 5.0 was just as fast as the M3 around the track for a professional driver and the 5.0 was faster around the track by half a second for an average driver...

for the 5.0 to be a RWD American Monster that costs less than $40K, it sure did embarrass one of the most beloved track queens that costs almost twice as much.....

back in 2011, the M3 fell from grace from being the "track queen" with the emergence of the 5.0 Brembo Package, which can be had for $35-39k depending on adders..

[Litos]

Originally Posted by FwdFtl

However, when talking about strictly performance, the M3 and 5.0 are pretty much tied.

around the track and even in a straight up drag race.....

[BenchRacerYo]

Originally Posted by Litos

highly doubt that......

just saying that the 5.0 was just as fast as the M3 around the track for a professional driver and the 5.0 was faster around the track by half a second for an average driver...

for the 5.0 to be a RWD American Monster that costs less than $40K, it sure did embarrass one of the most beloved track queens that costs almost twice as much.....

back in 2011, the M3 fell from grace from being the "track queen" with the emergence of the 5.0 Brembo Package, which can be had for $35-39k depending on adders..

You can doubt whatever you want, I truly couldn't care less.

[Vic311]

Give me a '69 ZL1, now you're talking. Only 69 made, first of the American muscle to come with the all aluminum ZL1 engines.