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      11-09-2013, 04:50 AM   #1
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There is something I am not understanding. With the Driving Assistant (which I have bought), I can read on the documentation that Collision Warning with Breaking Function is included.
It says also that the system is always active, even when the Cruise Control is not enabled.
I have got my car yesterday and I have tried several times to get close (very close) to a car in front of me, but I have had no warning at all.

Maybe the European cars are equipped in a different way. I have no clue.
Can anybody help me in understanding what I am doing wrong?

Thanks in advance!

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I have it. And it warns me all the time. I have to get extremely close for it to brake though.

There are 3 settings. Early warning, late warning, and no warning. Make sure you have those setting set right.

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As far as the braking, do you have active cruise? If not, your car will not brake. Page 117 in the manual (Collision warning with braking function) explains that if you have Active Cruise, it doesn't use the camera for the collision warning, it uses the radar on front bumper, which allows it to brake the car.

You can see it working in this video I took. I had my active cruise on, and the car in front of me changed lanes. It got a bit confused, that's why eventually the anti collision kicked in. I never touched the brake, and you can hear the brakes when it finally kicks in.

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There is something I am not understanding. With the Driving Assistant (which I have bought), I can read on the documentation that Collision Warning with Breaking Function is included.
It says also that the system is always active, even when the Cruise Control is not enabled.
I have got my car yesterday and I have tried several times to get close (very close) to a car in front of me, but I have had no warning at all.

Maybe the European cars are equipped in a different way. I have no clue.
Can anybody help me in understanding what I am doing wrong?

Thanks in advance!
There are two levels of driver assist though. There is driver assist package and then there is driver assist plus package. You need the higher tier to get the collusion warning
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The data here below is extracted from my VIN. Is there any way to understand which one I have?


Code
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Description (EPC)
S230A EU SPEZIFISCHE ZUSATZUMFAENGE Extra package, EU-specific
S258A BEREIFUNG MIT NOTLAUFEIGENSCHAFTEN Tire with run-flat functionality
S2NHA M SPORTBREMSE M Sport brakes
S2PAA RADSCHRAUBENSICHERUNG Lug bolt retainer
S2PLA 19"M LM RAEDER DOPPELSPEICHE 442 M BMW LA wheel M Double Spoke 442
S2TBA SPORT-AUTOMATIK GETRIEBE Sport automatic transmission
S2VFA ADAPTIVES M FAHRWERK Adaptive M suspension
S2VLA VARIABLE SPORTLENKUNG Variable Sport steering
S322A KOMFORTZUGANG Comfort access
P337A M SPORTPAKET M Sports package
S3AGA RUECKFAHRKAMERA Reversing camera
S415A SONNENSCHUTZROLLO FUER HECKSCHEIBE Sun-blind, rear
S423A FUSSMATTEN IN VELOURS Floor mats, velours
S428A WARNDREIECK Warning triangle and first aid kit
S430A INNEN-/AUSSENSPIEGEL AUT.ABBLENDEND Interior/outside mirror with auto dip
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Description (interface)
Description (EPC)
S431A INNENSPIEGEL,AUTOMATISCH ABBLENDEND Interior mirror with automatic-dip
S465A DURCHLADESYSTEM Through-loading system
S481A SPORTSITZE FUER FAHRER/BEIFAHRER Sports seat
S493A ABLAGENPAKET Storage compartment package
S494A SITZHEIZUNG FUER FAHRER/BEIFAHRER Seat heating driver/passenger
S4ADA INTERIEURL. ALU. LAENGSSCHLIFF FEIN Interior trim strips, alu, brushed, fine
S4AEA ARMAUFLAGE VORNE VERSCHIEBBAR Armrest front, retractable
S4DLA AKZENTLEISTEN SCHWARZ HOCHGLAENZEND Accent strips, black, high-gloss
S4NEA BLOW-BY-HEIZER Blow-by heater
S502A SCHEINWERFER-WASCHANLAGE Headlight cleaning system
S508A PARK DISTANCE CONTROL (PDC) Park Distance Control (PDC)
S521A REGENSENSOR Rain sensor
S534A KLIMAAUTOMATIK Automatic air conditioning
S552A ADAPTIVER LED-SCHEINWERFER Adaptive LED headlight
S575A ZUSAETZLICHE 12-V-STECKDOSEN Supplementary 12V sockets
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S5ACA FERNLICHTASSISTENT High-beam assistant
S5ALA ACTIVE PROTECTION Active Protection
S5ASA DRIVING ASSISTANT Driving Assistant
S5DFA AKTIVE.GESCHW.REG.+STOP&GO FUNKT. Active cruise control+Stop&Go function
S5DLA SURROUND VIEW Surround View
S609A NAVIGATIONSSYSTEM PROFESSIONAL Navigation system Professional
S610A HEAD-UP DISPLAY Head-up display
S654A DAB TUNER DAB tuner
S688A HARMAN/KARDON SURROUND SOUND SYSTEM HARMAN/KARDON SURROUND SOUND SYSTEM
S698A AREA-CODE 2 Area-Code 2 for DVD
S6ACA INTELLIGENTER NOTRUF Intelligent emergency SOS call
S6AEA TELESERVICES TELESERVICES
S6AKA CONNECTEDDRIVE SERVICES Connected Drive Services
S6AMA REAL TIME TRAFFIC INFORMATION Real-Time Traffic Information
S6ANA CONCIERGE SERVICES Concierge Services
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Description (EPC)
S6ARA INTERNET Internet
S6NRA APPS Apps
S6NSA KOMFORTTELEFONIE MIT ERW. SMARTPHON Convenience phone, expanded Smartphone
S6WAA INSTRUMENTENKOMBI. M. ERW. UMF. Instrument cluster, expanded equipment
S6WAA INSTRUMENTENKOMBI. M. ERW. UMF. Instrument cluster, expanded equipment
S710A M LEDERLENKRAD M leather steering wheel
S715A M AERODYNAMIKPAKET M Aerodynamics package
S760A INDIVIDUAL HOCHGLANZ SHADOW LINE High gloss shadow line
S775A INDIVIDUAL DACHHIMMEL ANTHRAZIT Headlining anthracite
S879A DEUTSCH / BORDLITERATUR On-board vehicle literature German
S8KAA OELWARTUNGSINT. 30.000KM/24MONATE Dummy-SALAPA
S8THA SPEED LIMIT INFO SPEED LIMIT INFO
S962A KENNZEICHENTRAEGER VORNE ENTFALL Deleted, licence plate support front
S999A AUFTRAGSSTEUERUNG HEA Job order management "HEA"
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The data here below is extracted from my VIN. Is there any way to understand which one I have?

S508A PARK DISTANCE CONTROL (PDC) Park Distance Control (PDC)

S5ALA ACTIVE PROTECTION Active Protection
S5ASA DRIVING ASSISTANT Driving Assistant
S5DFA AKTIVE.GESCHW.REG.+STOP&GO FUNKT. Active cruise control+Stop&Go function
So you have Both driving assistants because you have "Active Protection" (S5ALA), and you have active cruise (S5DFA), so yes your car should brake when you get close enough.
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      11-09-2013, 11:26 AM   #6
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I have seen your video. So the car actually did the last brake autonoumosly?
What's the behavior when the cruise control is not active?
Thanks a ton for the explanations!
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I have it. And it warns me all the time. I have to get extremely close for it to brake though.

There are 3 settings. Early warning, late warning, and no warning. Make sure you have those setting set right.

Edit:
As far as the braking, do you have active cruise? If not, your car will not brake. Page 117 in the manual (Collision warning with braking function) explains that if you have Active Cruise, it doesn't use the camera for the collision warning, it uses the radar on front bumper, which allows it to brake the car.

You can see it working in this video I took. I had my active cruise on, and the car in front of me changed lanes. It got a bit confused, that's why eventually the anti collision kicked in. I never touched the brake, and you can hear the brakes when it finally kicks in.

Nice! Never seen it in play like that.
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The data here below is extracted from my VIN. Is there any way to understand which one I have?


Code
Description (interface)
Description (EPC)
S230A EU SPEZIFISCHE ZUSATZUMFAENGE Extra package, EU-specific
S258A BEREIFUNG MIT NOTLAUFEIGENSCHAFTEN Tire with run-flat functionality
S2NHA M SPORTBREMSE M Sport brakes
S2PAA RADSCHRAUBENSICHERUNG Lug bolt retainer
S2PLA 19"M LM RAEDER DOPPELSPEICHE 442 M BMW LA wheel M Double Spoke 442
S2TBA SPORT-AUTOMATIK GETRIEBE Sport automatic transmission
S2VFA ADAPTIVES M FAHRWERK Adaptive M suspension
S2VLA VARIABLE SPORTLENKUNG Variable Sport steering
S322A KOMFORTZUGANG Comfort access
P337A M SPORTPAKET M Sports package
S3AGA RUECKFAHRKAMERA Reversing camera
S415A SONNENSCHUTZROLLO FUER HECKSCHEIBE Sun-blind, rear
S423A FUSSMATTEN IN VELOURS Floor mats, velours
S428A WARNDREIECK Warning triangle and first aid kit
S430A INNEN-/AUSSENSPIEGEL AUT.ABBLENDEND Interior/outside mirror with auto dip
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Description (EPC)
S431A INNENSPIEGEL,AUTOMATISCH ABBLENDEND Interior mirror with automatic-dip
S465A DURCHLADESYSTEM Through-loading system
S481A SPORTSITZE FUER FAHRER/BEIFAHRER Sports seat
S493A ABLAGENPAKET Storage compartment package
S494A SITZHEIZUNG FUER FAHRER/BEIFAHRER Seat heating driver/passenger
S4ADA INTERIEURL. ALU. LAENGSSCHLIFF FEIN Interior trim strips, alu, brushed, fine
S4AEA ARMAUFLAGE VORNE VERSCHIEBBAR Armrest front, retractable
S4DLA AKZENTLEISTEN SCHWARZ HOCHGLAENZEND Accent strips, black, high-gloss
S4NEA BLOW-BY-HEIZER Blow-by heater
S502A SCHEINWERFER-WASCHANLAGE Headlight cleaning system
S508A PARK DISTANCE CONTROL (PDC) Park Distance Control (PDC)
S521A REGENSENSOR Rain sensor
S534A KLIMAAUTOMATIK Automatic air conditioning
S552A ADAPTIVER LED-SCHEINWERFER Adaptive LED headlight
S575A ZUSAETZLICHE 12-V-STECKDOSEN Supplementary 12V sockets
Code
Description (interface)
Description (EPC)
S5ACA FERNLICHTASSISTENT High-beam assistant
S5ALA ACTIVE PROTECTION Active Protection
S5ASA DRIVING ASSISTANT Driving Assistant
S5DFA AKTIVE.GESCHW.REG.+STOP&GO FUNKT. Active cruise control+Stop&Go function
S5DLA SURROUND VIEW Surround View
S609A NAVIGATIONSSYSTEM PROFESSIONAL Navigation system Professional
S610A HEAD-UP DISPLAY Head-up display
S654A DAB TUNER DAB tuner
S688A HARMAN/KARDON SURROUND SOUND SYSTEM HARMAN/KARDON SURROUND SOUND SYSTEM
S698A AREA-CODE 2 Area-Code 2 for DVD
S6ACA INTELLIGENTER NOTRUF Intelligent emergency SOS call
S6AEA TELESERVICES TELESERVICES
S6AKA CONNECTEDDRIVE SERVICES Connected Drive Services
S6AMA REAL TIME TRAFFIC INFORMATION Real-Time Traffic Information
S6ANA CONCIERGE SERVICES Concierge Services
Code
Description (interface)
Description (EPC)
S6ARA INTERNET Internet
S6NRA APPS Apps
S6NSA KOMFORTTELEFONIE MIT ERW. SMARTPHON Convenience phone, expanded Smartphone
S6WAA INSTRUMENTENKOMBI. M. ERW. UMF. Instrument cluster, expanded equipment
S6WAA INSTRUMENTENKOMBI. M. ERW. UMF. Instrument cluster, expanded equipment
S710A M LEDERLENKRAD M leather steering wheel
S715A M AERODYNAMIKPAKET M Aerodynamics package
S760A INDIVIDUAL HOCHGLANZ SHADOW LINE High gloss shadow line
S775A INDIVIDUAL DACHHIMMEL ANTHRAZIT Headlining anthracite
S879A DEUTSCH / BORDLITERATUR On-board vehicle literature German
S8KAA OELWARTUNGSINT. 30.000KM/24MONATE Dummy-SALAPA
S8THA SPEED LIMIT INFO SPEED LIMIT INFO
S962A KENNZEICHENTRAEGER VORNE ENTFALL Deleted, licence plate support front
S999A AUFTRAGSSTEUERUNG HEA Job order management "HEA"
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      11-09-2013, 12:09 PM   #9
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well a couple of things are missing like tv, sunroof, active parking control, proximity sensors while changing lane, heated steering wheel, dark windows, lte access point. :-)
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How fast are you going when you are testing the system and in what conditions. I looked in the manual, and it seems that the system knows when you are intentionally following to close:

When the vehicle is intentionally brought into
contact with a vehicle, the collision warning is
delayed to avoid false warnings
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I didn't get this option because my car is an MT. It seems like it would work better with an AT. Pretty cool though.
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You can see it working in this video I took. I had my active cruise on, and the car in front of me changed lanes. It got a bit confused, that's why eventually the anti collision kicked in. I never touched the brake, and you can hear the brakes when it finally kicks in.
I have it in my car arriving soon - thanks for the video, it must be a leap of faith the first time you try it?! Or do you test with it 'wound out', so to speak? I'm really looking forward to it!
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You can see it working in this video I took. I had my active cruise on, and the car in front of me changed lanes. It got a bit confused, that's why eventually the anti collision kicked in. I never touched the brake, and you can hear the brakes when it finally kicks in.
I have it in my car arriving soon - thanks for the video, it must be a leap of faith the first time you try it?! Or do you test with it 'wound out', so to speak? I'm really looking forward to it!
Haha. Well... It takes a bit to get used to the active cruise, so after you're comfortable with that it's not as bad. I still sometimes intervene.
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Haha. Well... It takes a bit to get used to the active cruise, so after you're comfortable with that it's not as bad. I still sometimes intervene.
I picked up my 335i with active cruise control last night and am pretty impressed. You though, have way more balls than me to trust the system that much. LOL.
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Check YOUR Owners Manual

Why? Because it depends on what year build your car is. So for 2014 builds (as the first 4 Series is) different speeds apply as for older models (for the F30 readers).
Therefore check your online manual to have the correct speed information!

2013 F30 Manual: "The system issues a two-phase warning of a danger of collision at speeds above approx. 10 mph/15 km/h."

2014 F30 Manual: "The system issues a two-phase warning of a possible danger of collision with vehicles at speeds above approx. 3 mph/5 km/h."

In the 2014 there is also a "Pedestrian warning with city braking function"
The system issues a warning with brightness staring at approx. 6 mph/10 km/h to approx. 35 mph/60 km/h regarding a possible risk of collision with pedestrians and assists with a brake intervention shortly before a collision.

This makes me wonder if the 2013 builds can be software upgraded to above lower speed detection and to the Pedestrian warning? Does anyone know?
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Check YOUR Owners Manual

Why? Because it depends on what year build your car is. So for 2014 builds (as the first 4 Series is) different speeds apply as for older models (for the F30 readers).
Therefore check your online manual to have the correct speed information!

2013 F30 Manual: "The system issues a two-phase warning of a danger of collision at speeds above approx. 10 mph/15 km/h."

2014 F30 Manual: "The system issues a two-phase warning of a possible danger of collision with vehicles at speeds above approx. 3 mph/5 km/h."

In the 2014 there is also a "Pedestrian warning with city braking function"
The system issues a warning with brightness staring at approx. 6 mph/10 km/h to approx. 35 mph/60 km/h regarding a possible risk of collision with pedestrians and assists with a brake intervention shortly before a collision.

This makes me wonder if the 2013 builds can be software upgraded to above lower speed detection and to the Pedestrian warning? Does anyone know?
There IS a big software upgrade coming for the older model, heard that from another guy, and it was supposed to be related to the ACC as well. So I guess we will get these new "features", neat.

I use it a lot on the highway and I can say I most definetely trust it in almost every situation. It's a very well designed system.
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My manual is talking about pedestrian warning with City Breaking function. I see all this working during cruise control is engaged, how does it work when it's not.

My car is a 435i xD that was built in August 2013.
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If the switch in the middle is "on" (The LED lights up), the collision warning is available even if cruise controll is not in use!

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