[krnnerdboy]

Originally Posted by XM_Rocks

Incredible electric interface, incredible styling, 0 to 60 in 3.9 seconds and a 220 mile range.

Is Tesla overrated?

0-60 in 3.2 and 275-295 range!

Had my order in for a p85d due in December,but after they called, 3 weeks after my order, I cancelled my order since they did t have the options, colors and they said there was a delay in production. I protested and bought an m3. I'll be back to tesla in a yr or 2 once they have more models.

[tooch]

Originally Posted by Double Bubble

Isn't Tesla overrated?

No way, its a good product.

[XM_Rocks]

Originally Posted by glennQNYC

The challenge of making a pure electric vehicle a viable choice for people who live in condos/apartments and use on-street parking is a huge hurtle impeding mass implementation.

That is one issue... However I think as more people buy them private companies will start putting chargers for $ everywhere.

My $.02 I think the biggest hurdles are 1) American perception of their needs and range anxiety.. Which I think will change when 300-400 mile EV's at a sub $30k price point and quicker supercharging 2) The current way the tax rebate works. It should be instant at the point of sale.

[JonasV]

Ron Baron is saying they are for real with a significant holding in the stock.

Watch the video:
http://www.cnbc.com/id/102161115#.

Companies ultimate success will depend on bringing the cost of the battery down (gigafactory) closer to the cost of a gasoline engine and the success of the Model 3.

I'm a believer.

[JB135MDCT]

Musk is on par with Ford. This just shows vision is more valuable than money and misguided expensive management.

[clar]

Originally Posted by glennQNYC

The challenge of making a pure electric vehicle a viable choice for people who live in condos/apartments and use on-street parking is a huge hurtle impeding mass implementation.

Not for much longer. A local university here has developed a battery that charges to 70% in 2 mins:

http://media.ntu.edu.sg/NewsReleases...0-10ae4c50c934

This does look like promising esp since it has already been licensed by a company for production. While it doesn't solve the energy density issue, it has certainly circumvented it.

[CaptBTKirk]

Originally Posted by JB135MDCT

Musk is on par with Ford. This just shows vision is more valuable than money and misguided expensive management.

This. Musk will literally give the tech away for free to push the vision and make it happen. Very few people with that level of commitment and we need more of them.

[antzcrashing]

Originally Posted by glennQNYC

The challenge of making a pure electric vehicle a viable choice for people who live in condos/apartments and use on-street parking is a huge hurtle impeding mass implementation.

This is the first thought provoking comment in the thread. Tesla is a rich person's toy, it needs much in the way of practicality and cost reduction before it is relevant. We are long way away from electric cars being cost effective and practical simultaneously which are what they need to be for the average consumer to be interested

[3s-a-charm]

I have an order in for a Tesla Model S P85D (691 hp 0-60 in 3.2s with instant torque!) and delivery will be Dec 30.

First domestic car ever and after 20 years of BMW ownership this is the first car that has proven innovative enough to push me over the edge.

Judging by the same vanilla I've been seeing from BMW designers lately I feel this is a choice more BMW owners will be making as soon as they do some solid reading on the Teslas. The next-gen seats are a huge improvement however there is no fought that the established brands such as BMW are doing some things (like seats) way better.

After doing my research, this was an obvious choice. Quicker than an M5, all wheel drive that uses two motors for fast independent reactions, looks great from most angles, touch interface that doesn't suck at all, great range, and gobs of addictive torque. Drive one - you will be blown away!

As for the partnership, this will be a win-win. Tesla needs light weight and BMW needs better batteries. Both are leading the market in these respects. (Oh, and BMW please share the seats with Tesla!)

[AndreyATC]

There are already great deal of BMW owners who switched to Tesla
It's not a rich-boy toy as many think
There is $0 maintenance and you don't throw away $400 a month to feed your V8 monster
Trust me, i'm very far from rich...

P.S. I'm happy my two favorite brands joined the venture

[Chihuahua]

Originally Posted by XM_Rocks

Incredible electric interface, incredible styling, 0 to 60 in 3.9 seconds and a 220 mile range.

Is Tesla overrated?

"No, no. Misser Musk no here."

[Efthreeoh]

Originally Posted by glennQNYC

The challenge of making a pure electric vehicle a viable choice for people who live in condos/apartments and use on-street parking is a huge hurtle impeding mass implementation.

I've been making this same comment for several years now on this Forum, but it is deeper than that. The ideal driving environment for EV use is by the city dweller. The argument being the air pollution created for mobility is not at the exhaust pipe but rather the smoke stack far away from the confines of the city, which make EVs appear to be pollution-free and make city air more breathable is one reason, and the other is the limited range. Ironically however cities are where one finds a plethora of public transportation (subway, bus, taxi), and a far less need to drive anyway since most cities have local stores on each block. And cities are where it is most difficult to conveniently recharge an EV.

[Efthreeoh]

I wonder if Elon asked BMW if they'd release all those patents it developed for mass-production of carbon fiber...

[BMW269]

Originally Posted by clar

Not for much longer. A local university here has developed a battery that charges to 70% in 2 mins:

http://media.ntu.edu.sg/NewsReleases...0-10ae4c50c934

This does look like promising esp since it has already been licensed by a company for production. While it doesn't solve the energy density issue, it has certainly circumvented it.

These batteries are like BMW's supercar and Honda NSX, soon coming...

Hell even Apple iPhone has made any significant improvements for so called innovative company.

[clar]

Originally Posted by Levi

These batteries are like BMW's supercar and Honda NSX, soon coming...

Hell even Apple iPhone has made any significant improvements for so called innovative company.

Well, tech companies like Apple are similarly hamstrung by battery technology. They can't put faster processor, bigger/brighter screen, or other power sucking feature on their phones without major battery advancement!

[matbl]

Originally Posted by Double Bubble

Isn't Tesla overrated?

I've been driving a range of bmw's for many years, but after driving a tesla for a few months, my answer to your question is a big NO!

[matbl]

Originally Posted by Efthreeoh

I've been making this same comment for several years now on this Forum, but it is deeper than that. The ideal driving environment for EV use is by the city dweller. The argument being the air pollution created for mobility is not at the exhaust pipe but rather the smoke stack far away from the confines of the city, which make EVs appear to be pollution-free and make city air more breathable is one reason, and the other is the limited range. Ironically however cities are where one finds a plethora of public transportation (subway, bus, taxi), and a far less need to drive anyway since most cities have local stores on each block. And cities are where it is most difficult to conveniently recharge an EV.

Smoke stacks? Smart countries produce their electricity in other ways...

[Dog Face Pony Soldier]

Originally Posted by matbl

Smoke stacks? Smart countries produce their electricity in other ways...

I'd love to hear more of this concept. Please fill us in!

[3s-a-charm]

Originally Posted by glennQNYC

I'd love to hear more of this concept. Please fill us in!

Solar, hydro, wind

[DougLikesBMW]

Originally Posted by Levi

Exactly, both Toyota and Mercedes sold their Tesla shares. Tesla is also over hyped. There have been electric cars for at least 10 years. The trend is not exponentially improving.

[F32Fleet]

Originally Posted by 3s-a-charm

Judging by the same vanilla I've been seeing from BMW designers lately I feel this is a choice more BMW owners will be making as soon as they do some solid reading on the Teslas. ..

I've heard this before and it's funny how tastes have changes because in the 90's and early 2000's one of the draws to BMW was the concept of "same sausage but different size".

[Dog Face Pony Soldier]

Originally Posted by 3s-a-charm

Solar, hydro, wind

It's odd you recommend complete sentences to others, then fail to follow your own advice... But I digress.
Please tell us more about these countries that are so "smart" they generate their energy using only the weather and waterfalls. Please also provide these mythical place's GDP so we can see how productive they are using this method. Thanks.