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      08-12-2008, 07:07 PM   #1
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Blackjack card counting

Anyone heard people getting banned from doing this?

Seems to work for me in casino, but i'm just playing 25 bucks a bet.

I'm thought of increasing the bet, but i'm afraid the casino won't want to see me ever again.
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Your watching too much of the movie, "21."
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Your watching too much of the movie, "21."
"21" was based on a true story. And there is no doubt card counting is real.

As long as your not putting any serious dents into the casino, I doubt they will pay that much attention to you.
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"21" was based on a true story. And there is no doubt card counting is real.

As long as your not putting any serious dents into the casino, I doubt they will pay that much attention to you.
agreed. . .

Read the book, "Bringing Down The House", perhaps the best book I've read for "leisure"
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"21" was based on a true story. And there is no doubt card counting is real.

As long as your not putting any serious dents into the casino, I doubt they will pay that much attention to you.
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agreed. . .

Read the book, "Bringing Down The House", perhaps the best book I've read for "leisure"
Obviously. It tells you that when your what like 5 seconds into the movie??

I was just implying, cheating never gets you anywhere in life. Everyone wants to be a millionaire and not work?
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Anyone heard people getting banned from doing this?

Seems to work for me in casino, but i'm just playing 25 bucks a bet.

I'm thought of increasing the bet, but i'm afraid the casino won't want to see me ever again.
you have to know what the count is otherwise you won't win in the long wrong. don't worry too much about getting banned but this is definitely the wrong forum. you could do everything right and still lose money. you have to play like half a million hands before you are going to win for sure. it's called the long run. you need a bankroll to sustain heavy losses. since you are a gambler u can probably last longer if they do a check on you but go to this site for free lessons www.gamemasteronline.com since you are asian you will get away will spreading your chips just make it look natural like you go all in on a win or on a loss when the count is there. check out www.bj21.com to learn how to be a card counter or to win money gambling for the most part you have to be somebody who never gambled before or somebody that goes very rarely because a gambling addict can't be a winner and that's what card counting is about. and just because a game is called blackjack doesn't mean you can win money because conditions vary from table to table and casino to casino... if you have a gambling problem I wouldn't recommend card counting
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Obviously. It tells you that when your what like 5 seconds into the movie??

I was just implying, cheating never gets you anywhere in life. Everyone wants to be a millionaire and not work?
Counting cards is not cheating; but yes, i do want to be a millionaire and not work.
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you have to know what the count is otherwise you won't win in the long wrong. don't worry too much about getting banned but this is definitely the wrong forum. you could do everything right and still lose money. you have to play like half a million hands before you are going to win for sure. it's called the long run. you need a bankroll to sustain heavy losses. since you are a gambler u can probably last longer if they do a check on you but go to this site for free lessons www.gamemasteronline.com since you are asian you will get away will spreading your chips just make it look natural like you go all in on a win or on a loss when the count is there. check out www.bj21.com to learn how to be a card counter or to win money gambling for the most part you have to be somebody who never gambled before or somebody that goes very rarely because a gambling addict can't be a winner and that's what card counting is about. and just because a game is called blackjack doesn't mean you can win money because conditions vary from table to table and casino to casino... if you have a gambling problem I wouldn't recommend card counting
How is being asian have anything to do with this?

I gamble about once a week, some might say i have a gambling problem, but some don't.

Basically i'm just saying card counting has brought me some extra bucks, so i just wanted to see if i can increase my bet without pissing off the casino. If incraseing the bet will lead to losing in the long run, most likely i'll stop playing so big.
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Counting cards is not cheating; but yes, i do want to be a millionaire and not work.
but you need half a million to double your money in one year. there is this chinese guy who supposedly wins a lot of money oversees because the games are better but it can be dangerous and cheating is more common. google blackjack traveler. poker is better but is harder to master. you get to the long run quicker with poker but takes like 6 months to get enough to hustle weaker players... the best and worst gamblers are asian...
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How is being asian have anything to do with this?

I gamble about once a week, some might say i have a gambling problem, but some don't.

Basically i'm just saying card counting has brought me some extra bucks, so i just wanted to see if i can increase my bet without pissing off the casino. If incraseing the bet will lead to losing in the long run, most likely i'll stop playing so big.
lol at the troll. you will blend in for being asian because at least in ac or foxwoods/mohegan sun there are SO many asians you will blend in, most of them are gambling addicts and spread their chips unlike other people who are scared to bet more then the minimum. haven't u seen and asian guy with a huge stack of chips just bet like that 2 or 3 hands in the shoe? it's called compulsive gambling... and since you are already a gambler u are known as one. be proud if u get banned because you are doing something right... it's not illegal so what are u worried about? not being able to give the casino all your money? lol
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How is being asian have anything to do with this?

I gamble about once a week, some might say i have a gambling problem, but some don't.

Basically i'm just saying card counting has brought me some extra bucks, so i just wanted to see if i can increase my bet without pissing off the casino. If incraseing the bet will lead to losing in the long run, most likely i'll stop playing so big.
card counting can't bring you extra buck unless unless you spread your chips expect for single deck or early surrender games. single deck you have to know the correct plays for the count and their has to be deep penetration. i would ask the mods to ban you buy since they didn't ban the troll that posted the fake jessica simpson video i just hope you and him get locked in a cell with a guy named bubba...
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lol at the troll. you will blend in for being asian because at least in ac or foxwoods/mohegan sun there are SO many asians you will blend in, most of them are gambling addicts and spread their chips unlike other people who are scared to bet more then the minimum. haven't u seen and asian guy with a huge stack of chips just bet like that 2 or 3 hands in the shoe? it's called compulsive gambling... and since you are already a gambler u are known as one. be proud if u get banned because you are doing something right... it's not illegal so what are u worried about? not being able to give the casino all your money? lol
I'm worried because I heard people getting banned from casino for counting cards. Sounds ridiculous to me, but that's what i heard and what i'm trying to confirm...
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card counting can't bring you extra buck unless unless you spread your chips expect for single deck or early surrender games. single deck you have to know the correct plays for the count and their has to be deep penetration. i would ask the mods to ban you buy since they didn't ban the troll that posted the fake jessica simpson video i just hope you and him get locked in a cell with a guy named bubba...
Well, i did seem to win more after counting the cards. So i guess i just got lucky, if that will make you feel better.

ban me for what?
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Well, i did seem to win more after counting the cards. So i guess i just got lucky, if that will make you feel better.

ban me for what?
how does just counting help u win money unless you change your playing decisions? are u talking about 1,2,3,4,5

or ak 23 78 =0 since the ace and king are -1 each and the 23 are +1 each... anyway I just caught you in a lie because if you really knew how to count u would know that u have to spread your chips and would know about camouflage. and people do get banned esp in high roller areas...
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How is being asian have anything to do with this?

I gamble about once a week, some might say i have a gambling problem, but some don't.

Basically i'm just saying card counting has brought me some extra bucks, so i just wanted to see if i can increase my bet without pissing off the casino. If incraseing the bet will lead to losing in the long run, most likely i'll stop playing so big.

I don't think you're card counting...Raising your bet and basic strategy are the foundation of any card counter's play. If you aren't raising your bet, then you can't win consistently. You can't leave the table when the game's bad and come right back in when the going is good, do that too much and you'll get kicked out.

I played blackjack very aggressively from 2004-2006, ~50 trips and a lot of heartache. It's not for everyone, but it's sure is a great way to learn about gambling.

If you really want to learn card counting, learn one or all of these systems:

KO BJ - http://www.amazon.com/Knock-Out-Blac...8595633&sr=8-1

Hi-Lo - http://bj21.com/ads/pbj1.html

Level 2 Hi-Lo system - http://www.amazon.com/Blackjack-Bloo...ref=pd_sim_b_5

Another person said it, but at $25 minimum bet, your bankroll for a weekend's play has to be ~$5000, ($8000 more realistically) to limit losing it all on the weekend. I encourage everyone to read black jack attack if they're even remotely interested in getting involved.
http://www.amazon.com/Blackjack-Atta...8595725&sr=8-1

That book will show you the risk/reward of it all.
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I would do $25 x 2 hands of 100 and table hop. But why does it have to be a $25 minimum? If it was a $25 minimum no mid shoe I would spread to 2 hands of $100 and table hop. not sure if he could do that for the whole weekend but i would try at least a 1-10 spread and wong out @ -1 are there any other casinos nearby? if so, you maybe be able to just play at the casino u are staying at but early in the morning the day you leave. Early in the morning usually means less players which add to your win rate. crowded tables = less money... we are telling you too much because you will fail, I am almost sure of it... why do the other "counters" think?
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how does just counting help u win money unless you change your playing decisions? are u talking about 1,2,3,4,5

or ak 23 78 =0 since the ace and king are -1 each and the 23 are +1 each... anyway I just caught you in a lie because if you really knew how to count u would know that u have to spread your chips and would know about camouflage. and people do get banned esp in high roller areas...
lol, i'm not trying to lie or whatever in a forum, just saw some videos in youtube teaching those, and i kinda tried that in the casino, that's all. I guess i wasn't do it correctly according to you guys.
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I would do $25 x 2 hands of 100 and table hop. But why does it have to be a $25 minimum? If it was a $25 minimum no mid shoe I would spread to 2 hands of $100 and table hop. not sure if he could do that for the whole weekend but i would try at least a 1-10 spread and wong out @ -1 are there any other casinos nearby? if so, you maybe be able to just play at the casino u are staying at but early in the morning the day you leave. Early in the morning usually means less players which add to your win rate. crowded tables = less money... we are telling you too much because you will fail, I am almost sure of it... why do the other "counters" think?
Depending on your counting system, you'll probably need to go more than 10x your minimum if you're splitting to two hands. $125 to $150 per hand when splitting at the HIGHEST count (around +4 true count). Wonging in has it's merits, but it's hard to do in vegas nowadays with the mid shoe limits (if they even allow that).

Early morning play is hard because you're just standing around waiting for a positive count when no one is playing. Then, all of a sudden you jump in for 2 hands and leave is quite suspicous if you rinse and repeat for a few hours. Plus it's REALLY boring.

But, it is a valid play style, you're definitely playing safe by doing that.
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lol, i'm not trying to lie or whatever in a forum, just saw some videos in youtube teaching those, and i kinda tried that in the casino, that's all. I guess i wasn't do it correctly according to you guys.

I sounded overly harsh because you're probably going to lose a lot one day because the youtube videos didn't teach you enough. Honestly, read my earlier post, read a book or two or three, practice at home, on yahoo games, and see if you can actually win money in a play setting.

Gambling is a poor form of entertainment
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he could leave the table at -1 and take a piss or go to another table if they are shuffling...
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I'm worried because I heard people getting banned from casino for counting cards. Sounds ridiculous to me, but that's what i heard and what i'm trying to confirm...
Of course its true because Its not to the casinos advantage to have card counters playing blackjack. They have the right to refuse service to anyone.
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