Gas Station / Octane / HPFP Questions

tkbr0wn · 10-07-2009, 03:44 PM

I know everyone is sick of the HPFP polls, but here is another one. I searched and didnt see anything like it so I figured I would give it a shot. If it has already been done, then I apologize in advance.

Rather than trying to do formal poll with 38 options, I would like to get an idea on the gas stations / octane levels / State that the people with failed HPFP are using. If you can respond with the following, then I will do the data crunching and try to come up with some meaningful data if there is a pattern. If you use multiple gas stations, list them all.

UPDATED....

Here is a link to the data. The format is pretty rough now, Ill try to clean it up as I go...

http://spreadsheets.google.com/pub?k...sQ&output=html

Example:

HPFP FAIL (8000 miles) (11/15/2008) (failure mileage and date)
Model Year 2008

Chevron / 93 / Georgia
Wal-Mart / 93 / Georgia

Refill Level (1/8) (e.g 1/8, 1/4, 1/2, EMPTY)

Or:

HPFP NO FAIL (15000 miles)
Model Year 2009
BP / 93 / Florida
(1/4)

vitig · 10-07-2009, 03:54 PM

My car had any long cranks(aprox 5 seg) and i think in a hpfp error.
I go to the service,but my dealer said me that this problem don´t stay in europe because we use 98 octanes fuel and this problem only pass in place that use a low octanes.
Is it real?.

miro2296 · 10-07-2009, 03:55 PM

NO FAIL HPFP (16K) Shell, Chevron, HEB/93/Texas

but had "A" long crank about 1 week ago though

tkbr0wn · 10-07-2009, 03:58 PM

Ill let this go for a couple of weeks and throw it all into a database and see if anything magical comes out. I know it will be a relatively minuscule data set, but its a start.

here is my data....

HPFP NO FAIL (15000 miles)
Model Year 2008

Chevron / 93 / Georgia
QuickTrip / 93 / Georgia
Shell / 93 / Georgia
(EMPTY)

AW135*Guy · 10-07-2009, 04:01 PM

I'll respond when we get it back from the shop with the "official" response.

JN2009 · 10-07-2009, 04:11 PM

I have a question.Who in all the people it have this problem wait the low fuel
alert before goes to fill up ? I suspect many people run on empty tank.

tkbr0wn · 10-07-2009, 04:20 PM

Good question, I often drive it down to --- miles to empty

Updated first post to ask for this info as well

AW135*Guy · 10-07-2009, 04:26 PM

Well, since they just called and said the two long cranks and SES light were flukes...here is my response:

HPFP NO FAIL (3000 miles)
Model Year 2009
Murphy Oil/ 93 / Georgia
(Empty)

HPFREAK · 10-07-2009, 04:26 PM

I do my best not to let it get down too low before filling up. Just a habit from cars way back that you would burn the fuel pumps up if you ran it too low since they were in tank and not gravity feed types like in every FI mustang from 85 up. they sit in a Hat bolted to the top of the tanks with a pickup and filter at the bottom but it never really reaches all the way to bottom of the tank so sucking air is possible and burning the pump.

jeremyc74 · 10-07-2009, 04:27 PM

HPFP NO FAIL (35,000 miles)
Model Year: 2008
Tune: JB3 on Map 7 (For the last 25k miles)
Sams Club / 93 / Indiana (Ethonal Capitol of the country)
Whatever is close by / 91-93 / Indiana

I run it bone dry on every single tank, and have since it was new.

stevenc · 10-07-2009, 06:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by vitig

My car had any long cranks(aprox 5 seg) and i think in a hpfp error.
I go to the service,but my dealer said me that this problem don´t stay in europe because we use 98 octanes fuel and this problem only pass in place that use a low octanes.
Is it real?.

98 octane in europe = 93 octane in usa. Europe calculates octane differently, so your gas is the same octane as our gas.

HPFP NO FAIL (14500 miles)
2008 model
Shell / conoco / 93 / texas
1/8th tank

timhatimay · 10-07-2009, 08:13 PM

HPFP NO FAIL (6000 Miles)

2009 Model
Shell/93/NY
(1/8th tank)

vitig · 10-08-2009, 04:39 AM

[QUOTE = stevenc; 5993212] 98 octanos en Europa = 93 octanos en los EE.UU.. Europa calcula de manera diferente octanaje, para que su gas es el octanaje igual que nuestro gas.

Thanks, then my dealer told me a lie .They told that in europe doesn´t have any bulletin of this.

NihonX · 10-08-2009, 07:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tkbr0wn

Good question, I often drive it down to --- miles to empty

Updated first post to ask for this info as well

I do the same a lot and still no problems.
I even make my own Xylene 101 Octane mix.

(11600mi [8,000mi+ Jb3 Map 7-8])

sysfailur · 10-08-2009, 08:02 AM

HPFP NO FAIL (5500 miles)
MY 09
(Shell / Hess / Sunoco) / 93 / PA
(1/4)

Edit: Pretty sure all PA gas uses up to 10% ethanol.

vitig · 10-08-2009, 09:44 AM

hpfp changed in garanty ,i like that it is new version but i don´t know.
21800km 98octane(europe)
no codes, many long cranks(about 5sec)

My135 · 10-08-2009, 09:53 AM

No HPFP problem at 21k miles. Car ran on low fuel (down to less than 10 miles range) several times and always use QT 93 Octane fuel with 10% Ethano and no problem so far, just keep the finger crossed.

1lvr · 10-08-2009, 11:27 AM

HPFP NO FAIL (22000 Miles)

2008 Model
Shell/93/AR
Generic 93 no ethanol
(empty)

tkbr0wn · 10-08-2009, 01:12 PM

Good start, Keep'em coming.

Feyd · 10-09-2009, 07:56 AM

HPFP FAIL - 4,820 miles (1.10.2009)

April 2008 Build
Mobile 91 (all that was available in SoCal)
1/4

adrean8j · 10-09-2009, 10:07 AM

HPFP NO FAIL (18000 miles)
Model Year 2008
Tune: ProcedeV3 Rev. II - Since about 4k miles
Shell / 93 / Georgia/SC
BP / 93 / Georgia/SC
(EMPTY)

jkp1187 · 10-09-2009, 10:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sysfailur

HPFP NO FAIL (5500 miles)
MY 09
(Shell / Hess / Sunoco) / 93 / PA
(1/4)

Edit: Pretty sure all PA gas uses up to 10% ethanol.

Aside: Per Pennsylvania law, any gas station that includes ethanol must have a sticker on the pump disclosing that fact. No sticker in Pa. should mean no ethanol, if the law is being obeyed.

As for me:

HPFP NO FAIL
May 2009 build
3800 miles
Used 95 RON in Europe ~ 600 miles
In USA, mostly 93 octane Shell. One tank with 92 octane.

10-07-2009, 03:44 PM	#1
tkbr0wn Major 72 Rep 1,239 Posts Drives: 2015 Cayman S Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Atlanta iTrader: (0)	Gas Station / Octane / HPFP Questions (First Results Posted) I know everyone is sick of the HPFP polls, but here is another one. I searched and didnt see anything like it so I figured I would give it a shot. If it has already been done, then I apologize in advance. Rather than trying to do formal poll with 38 options, I would like to get an idea on the gas stations / octane levels / State that the people with failed HPFP are using. If you can respond with the following, then I will do the data crunching and try to come up with some meaningful data if there is a pattern. If you use multiple gas stations, list them all. UPDATED.... Here is a link to the data. The format is pretty rough now, Ill try to clean it up as I go... http://spreadsheets.google.com/pub?k...sQ&output=html Example: HPFP FAIL (8000 miles) (11/15/2008) (failure mileage and date) Model Year 2008 Chevron / 93 / Georgia Wal-Mart / 93 / Georgia Refill Level (1/8) (e.g 1/8, 1/4, 1/2, EMPTY) Or: HPFP NO FAIL (15000 miles) Model Year 2009 BP / 93 / Florida (1/4) __________________ ● 2015 Cayman S (Current), 2011 1M BSM #297 (Sold), 2008 135i (Sold) ● Last edited by tkbr0wn; 10-16-2009 at 09:31 PM..
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10-07-2009, 03:54 PM	#2
vitig Private First Class 4 Rep 189 Posts Drives: 135i Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: España iTrader: (0)	My car had any long cranks(aprox 5 seg) and i think in a hpfp error. I go to the service,but my dealer said me that this problem don´t stay in europe because we use 98 octanes fuel and this problem only pass in place that use a low octanes. Is it real?. __________________ 135ijb3, h & r filter, SSK, CDV,clutch stop, klracing fmic,seccond catted ,225-255 michelin ps3, E93F-E92R swaybars.M3 parts front.M3 tension rear.Plates mod(F-2,0º R-1,5º).Bilstein + stock springs.Ps rotors.Subframe bushings.Weichers fstruut.Finally mods sdiff and raceland dp.
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10-07-2009, 03:55 PM	#3
miro2296 Colonel 57 Rep 2,251 Posts Drives: '08 Montego Blue BMW 135i Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Round Rock, TX iTrader: (1)	NO FAIL HPFP (16K) Shell, Chevron, HEB/93/Texas but had "A" long crank about 1 week ago though __________________ ------------------------------------- BMW 135i/6 Speed/Montego Blue/Formula One Ceramic Tint/JB4 G4/AA Sport Intercooler/19 inch Iconz 880Z(19X8.5 & 19X10)/PSS 225/35 & 265/30/E93 M3 front sway bar/TRW front and rear Control Arms/BMS Drop In Filter/Dinan Exhaust/BlackLines/Upgraded \\\M RSFB
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10-07-2009, 03:58 PM	#4
tkbr0wn Major 72 Rep 1,239 Posts Drives: 2015 Cayman S Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Atlanta iTrader: (0)	Ill let this go for a couple of weeks and throw it all into a database and see if anything magical comes out. I know it will be a relatively minuscule data set, but its a start. here is my data.... HPFP NO FAIL (15000 miles) Model Year 2008 Chevron / 93 / Georgia QuickTrip / 93 / Georgia Shell / 93 / Georgia (EMPTY) __________________ ● 2015 Cayman S (Current), 2011 1M BSM #297 (Sold), 2008 135i (Sold) ● Last edited by tkbr0wn; 10-07-2009 at 04:23 PM..
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10-07-2009, 04:01 PM	#5
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10-07-2009, 04:11 PM	#6
JN2009 Private First Class 4 Rep 195 Posts Drives: 135i Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Mauricie iTrader: (0)	I have a question.Who in all the people it have this problem wait the low fuel alert before goes to fill up ? I suspect many people run on empty tank.
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10-07-2009, 04:20 PM	#7
tkbr0wn Major 72 Rep 1,239 Posts Drives: 2015 Cayman S Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Atlanta iTrader: (0)	Good question, I often drive it down to --- miles to empty Updated first post to ask for this info as well __________________ ● 2015 Cayman S (Current), 2011 1M BSM #297 (Sold), 2008 135i (Sold) ●
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10-07-2009, 04:26 PM	#8
AW135*Guy Enlisted Member 4 Rep 49 Posts Drives: AW 135i Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Atlanta, GA iTrader: (0)	Well, since they just called and said the two long cranks and SES light were flukes...here is my response: HPFP NO FAIL (3000 miles) Model Year 2009 Murphy Oil/ 93 / Georgia (Empty) __________________ BMW 135i ● AW ● Black Boston ● GS Trim ● M Sport ● Premium ● Cold Weather ● CA ● Nav ● Smart Phone ● Sat Radio Ordered (6/17) ● Production (6/19) ● Completed (6/26) ● En Route (7/14) ● Prep Center (8/2) ● At BMW Center (8/3) ● PCD (8/14) Last edited by AW135Guy; 10-09-2009 at 09:21 AM..*
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10-07-2009, 04:26 PM	#9
HPFREAK Lieutenant Colonel 63 Rep 1,884 Posts Drives: C6 ZO6 Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Socal iTrader: (8)	I do my best not to let it get down too low before filling up. Just a habit from cars way back that you would burn the fuel pumps up if you ran it too low since they were in tank and not gravity feed types like in every FI mustang from 85 up. they sit in a Hat bolted to the top of the tanks with a pickup and filter at the bottom but it never really reaches all the way to bottom of the tank so sucking air is possible and burning the pump. __________________ My Youtube Channel
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10-07-2009, 04:27 PM	#10
jeremyc74 Banned 76 Rep 5,970 Posts Drives: '08 135i Montego/Terra Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Evansville, IN iTrader: (0)	HPFP NO FAIL (35,000 miles) Model Year: 2008 Tune: JB3 on Map 7 (For the last 25k miles) Sams Club / 93 / Indiana (Ethonal Capitol of the country) Whatever is close by / 91-93 / Indiana I run it bone dry on every single tank, and have since it was new.
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10-07-2009, 08:13 PM	#12
timhatimay Lieutenant 129 Rep 559 Posts Drives: ///M3 Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: NYC iTrader: (1) Garage List 2018 BMW M3 [0.00] 2009 135i [0.00]	HPFP NO FAIL (6000 Miles) 2009 Model Shell/93/NY (1/8th tank) __________________ M3 6MT SmTo/CS ZCP 135i MT JB/CR ///MSport - Gone
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10-08-2009, 04:39 AM	#13
vitig Private First Class 4 Rep 189 Posts Drives: 135i Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: España iTrader: (0)	[QUOTE = stevenc; 5993212] 98 octanos en Europa = 93 octanos en los EE.UU.. Europa calcula de manera diferente octanaje, para que su gas es el octanaje igual que nuestro gas. Thanks, then my dealer told me a lie .They told that in europe doesn´t have any bulletin of this. __________________ 135ijb3, h & r filter, SSK, CDV,clutch stop, klracing fmic,seccond catted ,225-255 michelin ps3, E93F-E92R swaybars.M3 parts front.M3 tension rear.Plates mod(F-2,0º R-1,5º).Bilstein + stock springs.Ps rotors.Subframe bushings.Weichers fstruut.Finally mods sdiff and raceland dp.
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10-08-2009, 08:02 AM	#15
sysfailur Private First Class 5 Rep 114 Posts Drives: AW 135i Join Date: May 2009 Location: this cube iTrader: (1)	HPFP NO FAIL (5500 miles) MY 09 (Shell / Hess / Sunoco) / 93 / PA (1/4) Edit: Pretty sure all PA gas uses up to 10% ethanol. Last edited by sysfailur; 10-08-2009 at 01:59 PM..
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10-08-2009, 09:44 AM	#16
vitig Private First Class 4 Rep 189 Posts Drives: 135i Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: España iTrader: (0)	hpfp changed in garanty ,i like that it is new version but i don´t know. 21800km 98octane(europe) no codes, many long cranks(about 5sec) __________________ 135ijb3, h & r filter, SSK, CDV,clutch stop, klracing fmic,seccond catted ,225-255 michelin ps3, E93F-E92R swaybars.M3 parts front.M3 tension rear.Plates mod(F-2,0º R-1,5º).Bilstein + stock springs.Ps rotors.Subframe bushings.Weichers fstruut.Finally mods sdiff and raceland dp.
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10-08-2009, 09:53 AM	#17
My135 Lieutenant Colonel 85 Rep 1,609 Posts Drives: Join Date: Mar 2008 iTrader: (0)	No HPFP problem at 21k miles. Car ran on low fuel (down to less than 10 miles range) several times and always use QT 93 Octane fuel with 10% Ethano and no problem so far, just keep the finger crossed. __________________ 7/08 135 Coupe, Crimson Red, 6 SP, Sport, Taupe Lette/Aluminum. Performance Mods: JB4 on Map 5, BMS DP Fix V3, Injen polished intake, AR Catless DP, Maddad resonated mid-pipes, aFe exhaust polished tips, ST Suspension Coil Over and Hotchkis front sway bar. Others: BMS OCC, BT Scanner, Mud Flap. Next Mods: AA Front Strut Brace.
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10-08-2009, 11:27 AM	#18
1lvr Private First Class 1 Rep 115 Posts Drives: 2008 135i JB+ Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Bryant AR iTrader: (0)	HPFP NO FAIL (22000 Miles) 2008 Model Shell/93/AR Generic 93 no ethanol (empty) __________________ 2008 135I Flavored with a tad of Juice Box - The absolute best way to get to work everyday!
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10-08-2009, 01:12 PM	#19
tkbr0wn Major 72 Rep 1,239 Posts Drives: 2015 Cayman S Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Atlanta iTrader: (0)	Good start, Keep'em coming. __________________ ● 2015 Cayman S (Current), 2011 1M BSM #297 (Sold), 2008 135i (Sold) ●
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10-09-2009, 07:56 AM	#20
Feyd Major 346 Rep 1,288 Posts Drives: a DEEZZULL Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Chicago, IL iTrader: (2)	HPFP FAIL - 4,820 miles (1.10.2009) April 2008 Build Mobile 91 (all that was available in SoCal) 1/4
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