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infinitekid2002 · 07-22-2010, 11:39 AM

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Originally Posted by ZneeK

I say: let um put more stuff in... i like gizmos, gadgets and sh*t

i agree...i mean i used to have these crazy japanese robots as a kid..making all kinds of crazy noises and movements..and they were cheap as s

ZStig · 07-22-2010, 01:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Chriztofor

more simpler times. Key in the ignition, trans and oil dipsticks, and no other electronics, something like windows 7, which is an unbloated vista.

says a guy who drives a 325 auto..

not exactly an enthusiasts choice

Robin_NL · 07-22-2010, 02:31 PM

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Originally Posted by PINeely

Give me a dipstick.

that's what she said...

Silver-Bolt · 07-22-2010, 02:54 PM

I wish we could order exactly what we want on a car rather than deal with bundled options and what they think we want. Start with a bare bones car and start checking the boxes on what you want. If you don't want a stereo, heat, or A/c to save weight don't check the boxes. Regarding the dipstick, I would prefer to have it.

ZStig · 07-22-2010, 03:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Silver-Bolt

I wish we could order exactly what we want on a car rather than deal with bundled options and what they think we want. Start with a bare bones car and start checking the boxes on what you want. If you don't want a stereo, heat, or A/c to save weight don't check the boxes. Regarding the dipstick, I would prefer to have it.

you can remove those things yourself and sell them

OC 335i · 07-22-2010, 04:04 PM

335D = Dipstick

WIN

Chriztofor · 07-22-2010, 04:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Roffle Waffle

says a guy who drives a 325 auto..

not exactly an enthusiasts choice

Hey, I bought it because it is only a couple of years old and had less than 50,000 miles on the odometer. If they made a new e30 I would buy it in a heartbeat. They can even play with the styling so it won't look "dated", just stop throwing in more sensors and gadgets. The old "KISS" method, Keep It Simple Stupid.

Chriztofor · 07-22-2010, 04:32 PM

Also look at the difference between the e90 suspension (Bottom pic) compared with the e46 suspension (top pic). What did they do?!

The HACK · 07-24-2010, 02:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Chriztofor

Also look at the difference between the e90 suspension (Bottom pic) compared with the e46 suspension (top pic). What did they do?!

Front E46 suspension vs REAR E9X suspension. If you compare the front vs. front there really isn't that many added part, just one additional control arm.

preDoc 328 · 07-24-2010, 05:52 PM

The brake sensors are annoying. Had my car in the shop for 3 days and the computer is still having issues. Other than that I have no complaints.

I do wish that they would put an engine temp gauge in place of the MPG guage

Project1 · 07-25-2010, 06:07 AM

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Originally Posted by preDoc 328

The brake sensors are annoying. Had my car in the shop for 3 days and the computer is still having issues. Other than that I have no complaints.

I do wish that they would put an engine temp gauge in place of the MPG guage

Performance Steering Wheel FTW! Love mine!

Bimmer5 · 07-26-2010, 06:35 PM

If anyone wants a car with nothing in it, Well dont shop for BMW's look for a used Yugo.
BMW builds luxury cars with a sport feel, Not basic transportation. They do not build cars to cater to the "I just want a tin can to ride around in crowd" They build cars to fit the vast majority of the customers.

Chriztofor · 07-26-2010, 08:21 PM

^ you missed the point. Bmws were never tin cans, but they are getting overly bloated. It doesn't need all these electronics, sensors, gadgets. They need to go back to basics.

Chriztofor · 07-26-2010, 08:23 PM

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Originally Posted by The HACK

Front E46 suspension vs REAR E9X suspension. If you compare the front vs. front there really isn't that many added part, just one additional control arm.

Opps, and thank goodness!

graider · 07-27-2010, 08:30 AM

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Originally Posted by VTECaddict

Windows 7 is still Vista, just running more smoothly. If you want unbloated, you need to go back to WinXP

xp still bloated with those girly interface. 2000 is unbloated. LOL

graider · 07-27-2010, 08:31 AM

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Originally Posted by patrickch

personally, I like having no dipstick and let the sensors do their work, why going old school instead pf embracing the new technologies

I kinda agree. I don't check the dip stick in any of my cars unless I change my oil or there is some issue.

i read somewhere that said we should check the oil level at every gas filling, but common I see nobody doing that these day. LOL

graider · 07-27-2010, 08:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Chriztofor

I started this thread because so many people posts problems with their cars and alot of it has to do with the electronics. The e46 has 1,000 less things that can go wrong with it. I still love the car.

e46 still has lot of electronic problem though.

graider · 07-27-2010, 08:37 AM

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Originally Posted by The HACK

BMW has two types of customers. Buyers who wants a sports car, and any luxury on top is just cherry. And buyers who wants a luxury car, and any sports on top is just cherry.

They are the two opposing forces at work here. On one hand, the Sporty buyers are the vocal buyers. The influencers. The elitist who all think what they want should be what everyone else gets. They're the type to write to BMW NA in a mass email campaign threatening to boycott BMW if they don't bring the E36 M3 over. They're the ones that tell all their friends and families that they must buy BMWs regardless of their situation and need.

However they're the MINORITY. There's probably one sporty buyer for every 10 luxury buyers out there. And BMW knows it. So what do you do, when the VAST majority of your customer base probably don't know what an apex is from a hole in the ground? Simple. You build cars that are bigger, heavier, more luxurious, but with better engine and more technology crammed into the suspension and chassis than anyone has a right to shake a stick at. That way, the sporty buyers are happy that they get a car that handles like no other sedan does, while the luxury buyers get a car with dual comfort climate control that massages your back and shakes your d*ck when you pee.

But that formula is not sustainable. With every feature added, and every inch increased and every pound heavier, it takes double the amount of horse power and suspension wizardry to keep the same "performance." So what do you do, again, if you're BMW? Well, formula is simple. You build bigger, faster, and more luxurious cars with more features, and come up with this "magical" entry level 1 series that weighs 200 lbs more than the last generation 3 series and call it the "sportier, lighter" alternative.

Unfortunately that hasn't worked as well to BMW's advantage. And the last lightweight, sporty BMW built, BMW sold all but 1,700 units in 3 years, with a $10,000 incentive on top. They just couldn't give it away. So what does that say about BMW's customers again?

So for those of you who wish BMW would go back to the "golden" age of building what made BMWs BMWs, those days are long gone. You're better off buying a Porsche. Or a Subaru if you need more practicality. Because BMW stopped building BMWs long time ago. They're now intent on building Lexuses that sort of drive like BMWs.

i agree with everything, except the last part. I think building a car that please everyone is a huge challenge and bmw hits the nail on the head with the m3. none done it better than bmw in this case and all the mag reviews proved it.

vioaltec · 07-27-2010, 02:50 PM

do you want the manualy roll down the window too? Lol

Chriztofor · 07-27-2010, 02:58 PM

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Originally Posted by graider

e46 still has lot of electronic problem though.

186,000 miles and 10 years old and not one electronic problem. Looks like I was lucky!

ZStig · 07-27-2010, 04:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Chriztofor

Hey, I bought it because it is only a couple of years old and had less than 50,000 miles on the odometer. If they made a new e30 I would buy it in a heartbeat. They can even play with the styling so it won't look "dated", just stop throwing in more sensors and gadgets. The old "KISS" method, Keep It Simple Stupid.

make up your mind. you either want modern tech or you don't. I understand why you bought your newer 325, but if you want BMW to change, stop financially supporting the kind of shit you're against

Chriztofor · 07-27-2010, 04:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Roffle Waffle

make up your mind. you either want modern tech or you don't. I understand why you bought your newer 325, but if you want BMW to change, stop financially supporting the kind of shit you're against

And get what? A bike? There is nothing else out there I want.

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Chriztofor Colonel Drives: '06 325i Auto Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Chicago Burbs Posts: 2,434 iTrader: (1)	Also look at the difference between the e90 suspension (Bottom pic) compared with the e46 suspension (top pic). What did they do?! Attached Images __________________ For most BMW problems start off by scanning your car with the BT Tool or Peake Research Tool. They contain the actual BMW codes as opposed to a generic OBII scanner. Pays for itself on the 1st scan. http://www.bavariantechnic.com/ OR http://www.peakeresearch.com/ (less expensive, but does not reset battery info)

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Chriztofor Colonel Drives: '06 325i Auto Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Chicago Burbs Posts: 2,434 iTrader: (1)	^ you missed the point. Bmws were never tin cans, but they are getting overly bloated. It doesn't need all these electronics, sensors, gadgets. They need to go back to basics. __________________ For most BMW problems start off by scanning your car with the BT Tool or Peake Research Tool. They contain the actual BMW codes as opposed to a generic OBII scanner. Pays for itself on the 1st scan. http://www.bavariantechnic.com/ OR http://www.peakeresearch.com/ (less expensive, but does not reset battery info)

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Silver-Bolt Captain Drives: 2011 Z4 35is Melbourne Red Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Portland, OR Posts: 778 iTrader: (0) Garage List 2011 Z4 35is [5.00]	I wish we could order exactly what we want on a car rather than deal with bundled options and what they think we want. Start with a bare bones car and start checking the boxes on what you want. If you don't want a stereo, heat, or A/c to save weight don't check the boxes. Regarding the dipstick, I would prefer to have it.

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preDoc 328 Private First Class Drives: 2007 BMW 328i 6MT Join Date: May 2010 Location: Ann Arbor, MI Posts: 118 iTrader: (0)	The brake sensors are annoying. Had my car in the shop for 3 days and the computer is still having issues. Other than that I have no complaints. I do wish that they would put an engine temp gauge in place of the MPG guage

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Bimmer5 Enlisted Member Drives: 2011 535i Join Date: May 2010 Location: York,PA Posts: 46 iTrader: (0)	If anyone wants a car with nothing in it, Well dont shop for BMW's look for a used Yugo. BMW builds luxury cars with a sport feel, Not basic transportation. They do not build cars to cater to the "I just want a tin can to ride around in crowd" They build cars to fit the vast majority of the customers.