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      03-03-2007, 01:18 PM   #155
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I said this guy worked for the Israeli government.
Man you are one crazy, war-loving, lying s...t.
I hope that's not too strong. As you can see I have not posted on this topic for some time as I see this is futile. We come on this site for fun, whereas you are obviously paid to spread the Israeli LIE!!!
I have better things to do with my time, like talk to people with whom you can reason!
Actually, if you read ganeil's posts -- he did not say much about Israel, so... I disagree with you on this one. However, he's stuck with the idea that cowboy-ism and non-diplomacy -- barbarism is the only way the world functions. He does not realize that it is only popular in this country (and Israel) with a few people and that the rest of the world wants to live in a better place than what we have now -- clean and peaceful.

Again, a simple question never answered to me is why us??? Why did they hurt our innocent civilians and not some other countries that have much better lives than we do?
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Sure I do care.
However, unlike you...I do care about 500,000 of innocent Iraqis being dead because of our liberation (thousands of them are treated worse than animals by being marked as collateral damage), same in Lebanon, same in Serbia, Bosnia, Kosovo, Croatia, Somalia, Sudan, Ruwanda...and everywhere where we decided to spread our democracy or tried to "help".

That is the whole point -- why US??? You never answered that one -- why us and not someone else???
The vast majority of civilian Iraqi deaths were the result of targeted attacks by the insurgents or the al-Qaeda affiliated forces. We are not to blame for their tactics.

Your inability or unwillingness to make simple moral distinctions is disturbing.

Not someone else? How about Israel repeatedly? Bali and Moscow in 2002? Casablanca, Riyadh, and Istanbul in 2003, Madrid and Beslan in 2004? London in 2006? Do all these countries think they control the world too?
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I said this guy worked for the Israeli government.
Man you are one crazy, war-loving, lying s...t.
I hope that's not too strong. As you can see I have not posted on this topic for some time as I see this is futile. We come on this site for fun, whereas you are obviously paid to spread the Israeli LIE!!!
I have better things to do with my time, like talk to people with whom you can reason!
What do the pictures I posted have to do with Israel? They are pictures of terrorist attacks against Americans.
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You can tell me that London tornadoes are normal thing, or Germany Hurrican is a normal thing. You can tell me that Alabama February tornadoes are OK, or that Dallas 85F mid February temps are OK. You can tell me that Greenland melting and ice melting at this rate is natural, cyclical thing, and that we did not cause any of that although there has never been even close polution level in the world as it is today...
Golbal warming exisits, but has little if anything to do with pollutants. "Global Warming" is nothing but the natural warming and cooling cycles the Earth goes through. I saw an article about a study the other day that said the methane produced by cows is worse for "Global Warming" than the CO2 from all the cars in the world
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Why do you thing WE were attacked and not China for example, or Switzerland, or France, or Singapore??? Was it retaliation for something...or as dumb ass Bush would say because they envy (ONLY) our way of living (which is by the way not even close to some other countries that I put above...)??? Do you ever ask yourself that question -- why us? Why didn't they attack Japan in the 80's when they had powerful economy? Or why not Russia (USSR) when they were the world's power? Maybe because we falsely believe we can control the world???
Ask most people in the world who stands for freedom and the ideals of the West and they will tell you it's the United States.
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Sure I do care.
However, unlike you...I do care about 500,000 of innocent Iraqis being dead because of our liberation (thousands of them are treated worse than animals by being marked as collateral damage), same in Lebanon, same in Serbia, Bosnia, Kosovo, Croatia, Somalia, Sudan, Ruwanda...and everywhere where we decided to spread our democracy or tried to "help".
The Iraqi economy is in a massive boom atm. Also, they now have a democratic government. I don't have numbers, but I'm sure most of those deaths are from sectarian violence, not the US killing Iraqis by mistake.
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Same as that GW Bush killed more of our soldiers by his crazy war ambitions than Al Qaeda did on 911...
I'm pretty sure that Al Qaeda didn't kill any soldiers on 9/11; they killed civilians. The soldiers' job is to protect those civilians, which is what they are doing in Afghanistan. Don't confuse the motives for the Iraq war. Afghanistan was primarily an attack against Al Qaeda, whereas Iraq was an attack against a dictator and at the time we thought we had WMDs. (Though the CIA really fucked up on that one)
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Are you talking about Oklahoma City stuff??
Commited by no one else but our own "patriot"... BTW, when it happened, the first occusation on the news and unofficial from the Govt was that it was done by either the Serbs or Muslims...
I believe he is talking about the WTC bombing in 1993, which was committed by radical Muslims and financed by none other than our buddy from Al Qaeda Khaled Shaikh Mohammed.
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The vast majority of civilian Iraqi deaths were the result of targeted attacks by the insurgents or the al-Qaeda affiliated forces. We are not to blame for their tactics.

Your inability or unwillingness to make simple moral distinctions is disturbing.

Not someone else? How about Israel repeatedly? Bali and Moscow in 2002? Casablanca, Riyadh, and Istanbul in 2003, Madrid and Beslan in 2004? London in 2006? Do all these countries think they control the world too?
1) IRAQ -- ah, yes...all deaths after we "liberated" them and "spread our democracy" there How sad -- take the liberation and democracy back and give back 500k lives!!! What a stupid way to look at it -- Al Qaeda did it -- did they do it before we fucked it up??? Not even in close numbers!

2) Moscow -- Chechens -- 100 died. Bali -- their own shit -- 100 died. Madrid -- they helped us -- got the warning... London -- I consider them -- US... So you compare 300 deaths with 3000 deaths + 3200 soldiers in Iraq + 500,000 Iraqis... Do you ever realize how empty minded your comments are??? Just trying to protect the idiot's views and stupid politics that will kill us all!!!

As I sais -- why us??? Why didn't Al Qaeda hit Moscow with the planes, why not Zurich, Paris??? And this time, please give me an educated answer or none...
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I said this guy worked for the Israeli government.
Man you are one crazy, war-loving, lying s...t.
I hope that's not too strong. As you can see I have not posted on this topic for some time as I see this is futile. We come on this site for fun, whereas you are obviously paid to spread the Israeli LIE!!!
I have better things to do with my time, like talk to people with whom you can reason!
Dumbass...
Listen if you hate Israel so much why don't you go strap a bomb to your body and blow yourself up like your friends are doing.
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Golbal warming exisits, but has little if anything to do with pollutants. "Global Warming" is nothing but the natural warming and cooling cycles the Earth goes through. I saw an article about a study the other day that said the methane produced by cows is worse for "Global Warming" than the CO2 from all the cars in the world .
I can tell you that my fart has more power than the nuke that KN has...and you would probably believe me...
It is very simple theory (for people with brains) -- global warming is a process, not an instant and is partially pushed with the accumulation of CO2 in the atmosphere -- Venus effect, green house effect...whatever you want to call it. It traps the heat. Yes, the earth goes through the cycles but:
1) those do not increase the temp as rapidly over the small period as it happened in last 30-40 years
2) theose do not cause increase of the CO2 to the record levels (where we're now)

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Ask most people in the world who stands for freedom and the ideals of the West and they will tell you it's the United States.
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I did ask people in 50 countries of the world exactly that and 99% of them told me that they think the USA is the largest threat to the freedom and peace in the world -- just opposite as you would hope they'd say -- stop watching stupid FOX news!

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The Iraqi economy is in a massive boom atm. Also, they now have a democratic government. I don't have numbers, but I'm sure most of those deaths are from sectarian violence, not the US killing Iraqis by mistake.

I'm pretty sure that Al Qaeda didn't kill any soldiers on 9/11; they killed civilians. The soldiers' job is to protect those civilians, which is what they are doing in Afghanistan. Don't confuse the motives for the Iraq war. Afghanistan was primarily an attack against Al Qaeda, whereas Iraq was an attack against a dictator and at the time we thought we had WMDs. (Though the CIA really fucked up on that one) .
Iraq Economy -- there is no such a thing -- there hasn't been one in last 20+ years...
I never said we killed 500k of them -- we probably did ~10k. But I really do not remember ever reading about 500k Iraqis being killed over 4 years in their history. Please refresh my mind if I am wrong. Therefore, take your freedom shit and democracy and liberation and stick it up your ass and give back 500k lives... No 500k lives are worth your empty promisses.

As for the wars -- I was not agains the Afghanistan thing and Bush would have been remembered in the history as the guy who cleaned Al Qaeda if he stuck to Afghanistan -- sealed it off with 150k soldiers and captured them all. But the dumb ass thought it was going to be so easy so lets rule them all -- Now he lost OBL, he alowed Alqaeda to regroup and grow bigger and stronger than ever, he allowed Taliban to regroup and recapture some parts of Afghanistan, Afghanistan will never be rebuilt, Iraq is devistated, Iraq will never be rebuilt, tons of our soldiers are dead and will die, all of our alies will leave soon and finally we will leave with nothing done.

Our borders are joke, TSA is just to be there, nothing has improved. No liquids are allowed in the airplanes, I just brought a litter of wine from Japan in my carry on. No toothpaste larger than 3.5 oz is allowed, the guy next to me had an 5 oz one on the airplane, and so on...just the sense of false security... We have no idea what the enemy is preparing next...

Shameful...

I believe he is talking about the WTC bombing in 1993, which was committed by radical Muslims and financed by none other than our buddy from Al Qaeda Khaled Shaikh Mohammed.
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I can tell you that my fart has more power than the nuke that KN has...and you would probably believe me...
It is very simple theory (for people with brains) -- global warming is a process, not an instant and is partially pushed with the accumulation of CO2 in the atmosphere -- Venus effect, green house effect...whatever you want to call it. It traps the heat. Yes, the earth goes through the cycles but:
1) those do not increase the temp as rapidly over the small period as it happened in last 30-40 years
2) theose do not cause increase of the CO2 to the record levels (where we're now)
Alright smartass, I didn't say that just to blow smoke, it's proven. Why not do a little research before you run your mouth.
http://www.csmonitor.com/2007/0220/p03s01-ussc.html
http://www.un.org/apps/news/story.as...l&Cr1=environm
http://www.greendiary.com/entry/cow-...lobal-warming/
http://www.fao.org/newsroom/en/news/...448/index.html
Welcome to the truth. Embrace it and stop listening to liberal Al Gore propaganda bullshit.
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I did ask people in 50 countries of the world exactly that and 99% of them told me that they think the USA is the largest threat to the freedom and peace in the world -- just opposite as you would hope they'd say -- stop watching stupid FOX news!
Want to show me some proof of this?
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Iraq Economy -- there is no such a thing -- there hasn't been one in last 20+ years...
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/16241340/site/newsweek/
http://www.nypost.com/seven/12192006...les_lathem.htm
Multiple publications seem to disagree with your view.
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Alright smartass, I didn't say that just to blow smoke, it's proven. Why not do a little research before you run your mouth.
http://www.csmonitor.com/2007/0220/p03s01-ussc.html
http://www.un.org/apps/news/story.as...l&Cr1=environm
http://www.greendiary.com/entry/cow-...lobal-warming/
http://www.fao.org/newsroom/en/news/...448/index.html
Welcome to the truth. Embrace it and stop listening to liberal Al Gore propaganda bullshit.

Want to show me some proof of this?

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/16241340/site/newsweek/
http://www.nypost.com/seven/12192006...les_lathem.htm
Multiple publications seem to disagree with your view.
I am sorry, but you're either a dumb person or a young one. I hope it is the second one otherwise I am wasting my time here...
1) The issue is not if my fart or cows fart is producing more gasses, the issue is that our contribution adds a lot to it. Do you see the differences here??? If we cut our contribution, we can slow it down and possibly put it back to the normal levels again.
Cows were around 50 years ago, cars (in today's numbers) were not, therefore, the CO2 levels were managable.

To show you the proof of what the rest of the world thinks about us...I guess you must be really dumb, not young?! Or probably never out of your backyard...
http://www.guardian.co.uk/usa/story/0,,1938434,00.html
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/2251067.stm
http://www.counterpunch.org/wiggins0925.html
and so on...
I do not go around recording people's views...for your proof you'd have to travel a little bit...

Finally, Iraq...we were so proud of our military leaders for defeating Iraqi Army... Iraq was under heavy sanctions for past 15 years. They had nothing and a little they had, Saddam and his buddies took for themselves -- another proof that our sponsored sanctions ONLY hurt the ordinary people not the leaders. Never did -- look at NK, K.j. Ill lives like a king while people suffer. Look at Cuba. Look at Serbia -- people suffered, but when we gave some $$$ to the opposition, the dictatorship was gone...

The "Economy" you cited above is very typical in war thorn places -- while majority is dying because of lack of basics, a few will become very, very rich. Black markets are flourishing over there. Do not expect the "booming economy" style like we have it here or in developed countries...
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I am sorry, but you're either a dumb person or a young one. I hope it is the second one otherwise I am wasting my time here...
1) The issue is not if my fart or cows fart is producing more gasses, the issue is that our contribution adds a lot to it. Do you see the differences here??? If we cut our contribution, we can slow it down and possibly put it back to the normal levels again.
Cows were around 50 years ago, cars (in today's numbers) were not, therefore, the CO2 levels were managable.
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/n...s-warming.html
Yet more evidence it's not our fault.
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http://news.nationalgeographic.com/n...s-warming.html
Yet more evidence it's not our fault.
Again, and again...you're showing me suggestions, I am showing you the reports:
Here is one from the Government agency:
http://epa.gov/climatechange/emissio...7/07Trends.pdf

I'd suggest you read through the whole thing, not only this page...
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Again, and again...you're showing me suggestions, I am showing you the reports:
Here is one from the Government agency:
http://epa.gov/climatechange/emissio...7/07Trends.pdf

I'd suggest you read through the whole thing, not only this page...
Notice how all the numbers say "Global Warming Potential". Not effect, not change, but potential. As in they may potentially be a problem but it has yet to be proven. You don't seem to understand that your version of global warming is just theory without concrete proof.
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Notice how all the numbers say "Global Warming Potential". Not effect, not change, but potential. As in they may potentially be a problem but it has yet to be proven. You don't seem to understand that your version of global warming is just theory without concrete proof.
Ah, OK, then lets wait and see when all the ice melts and FL and Cali are under water, and then (when it's too late) we can run around crying...

Kind of like everything else this Admin (and the supporters) did so far -- always behind in everything, and when they rush turns out to be a complete fiasco (Iraq)...

Good job, keep on doing it...but do not involve me and my family into it...
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Do you actually read my posts or not? The Earth is getting warmer, fact. Nobody knows for sure what the heck is causing it, fact.

If you're so worried about it sell your 3er and buy a Prius. Stop eating meat as well since the cows are worse than the cars. Also live in a house with solar panels on the roof that is buried underground for energy conservation. You could also stop buying manufactured goods.
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Dumbass...
Listen if you hate Israel so much why don't you go strap a bomb to your body and blow yourself up like your friends are doing.
You Israelis' were the ones that started off all this suicide bombing with your attacks on the British. So don't tell me whose friend's strap bombs to their bodies and blow themselves up. Its you lot that started off this monstrous craze in the first place, and now that you are in power you take the high position. Shame on you!!!

Well I say Dumbass yourself. You ignorant, lying cheat. Look back at history and tell me it wasn't the Israelis' who started off this barbaric suicide bombing. No morals, that what it is!!! Tut.. tut.. tut....
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You Israelis' were the ones that started off all this suicide bombing with your attacks on the British. So don't tell me whose friend's strap bombs to their bodies and blow themselves up. Its you lot that started off this monstrous craze in the first place, and now that you are in power you take the high position. Shame on you!!!

Well I say Dumbass yourself. You ignorant, lying cheat. Look back at history and tell me it wasn't the Israelis' who started off this barbaric suicide bombing. No morals, that what it is!!! Tut.. tut.. tut....
Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
You obviously are dumber then i thought.
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You Israelis' were the ones that started off all this suicide bombing with your attacks on the British. So don't tell me whose friend's strap bombs to their bodies and blow themselves up. Its you lot that started off this monstrous craze in the first place, and now that you are in power you take the high position. Shame on you!!!
Well I say Dumbass yourself. You ignorant, lying cheat. Look back at history and tell me it wasn't the Israelis' who started off this barbaric suicide bombing. No morals, that what it is!!! Tut.. tut.. tut....
Wrong you are...next time
Below is an extract - read the rest here...everyone knows Israelis' dont sucide bomb...it just shows your ignorance...
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Suicide attacks against civilian targets without significant political value
Lebanon, during its civil war, saw a modern suicide bombing: the Islamic Dawa Party's car bombing of the Iraqi embassy in Beirut, in December 1981. Hezbollah's bombing of the U.S. embassy in April 1983 and attack on United States Marine and French barracks in October 1983 brought suicide bombings international attention.
Other parties to the civil war were quick to adopt the tactic, and by 1999 factions such as Hezbollah, the Amal Movement, the Ba'ath Party, and the Syrian Social Nationalist Party had carried out around 50 suicide bombings between them. (The latter of these groups sent the first female suicide bomber in 1986. Female combatants have existed throughout human history and in many different societies, so it is possible that females who engage in suicidal attacks are not new.) Hezbollah was the only one to attack overseas, bombing the Israeli embassy (and possibly the Argentine-Israeli Mutual Association building) in Buenos Aires; as its military and political power have grown, it has since abandoned the tactic.
Lebanon saw the first bombing, but it was the LTTE Tamil Tigers who perfected the tactic and inspired its use elsewhere [2]. Their Black Tiger unit have committed between 76 and 168 (estimates vary) suicide bombings since 1987.
Suicide bombing has, since 1993, been a particularly popular tactic amongst some Palestinian groups, including Hamas, Islamic Jihad, and the Al-Aqsa Martyrs Brigade. Bombers affiliated with these groups often use so-called "suicide belts", explosive devices (often including shrapnel) designed to be strapped to the body under clothing. In order to maximize the loss of life, the bombers may seek out cafés or city buses crowded with people at rush hour, or less commonly a military target (for example, soldiers waiting for transport at roadside). By seeking enclosed locations, a successful bomber usually kills a number of people.
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1) IRAQ -- ah, yes...all deaths after we "liberated" them and "spread our democracy" there How sad -- take the liberation and democracy back and give back 500k lives!!! What a stupid way to look at it -- Al Qaeda did it -- did they do it before we fucked it up??? Not even in close numbers!

2) Moscow -- Chechens -- 100 died. Bali -- their own shit -- 100 died. Madrid -- they helped us -- got the warning... London -- I consider them -- US... So you compare 300 deaths with 3000 deaths + 3200 soldiers in Iraq + 500,000 Iraqis... Do you ever realize how empty minded your comments are??? Just trying to protect the idiot's views and stupid politics that will kill us all!!!

As I sais -- why us??? Why didn't Al Qaeda hit Moscow with the planes, why not Zurich, Paris??? And this time, please give me an educated answer or none...
So now we are responsible for the deaths of people killed by al-Qaeda? Where did you obtain your moral foundation? It is based on nothing I have ever encountered before, it is ignorant and irrational.

Your insistence that their have been 500,000 civilians killed in Iraq is also without basis. The Iraqi Ministry of Health placed the number at approximately 150,000 as of November, 2006.

According to al-Qaeda they attacked us because we dared defend one Muslim nation from another by basing forces in Saudi Arabia to liberate and defend Kuwait and because we had the audacity to support the democratic society of Israel against those who blow up woman and children sitting down to dinner.

If that behavior causes them to want to attack us, then the only solution is to attack them.
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So now we are responsible for the deaths of people killed by al-Qaeda? Where did you obtain your moral foundation? It is based on nothing I have ever encountered before, it is ignorant and irrational.

Your insistence that their have been 500,000 civilians killed in Iraq is also without basis. The Iraqi Ministry of Health placed the number at approximately 150,000 as of November, 2006.

According to al-Qaeda they attacked us because we dared defend one Muslim nation from another by basing forces in Saudi Arabia to liberate and defend Kuwait and because we had the audacity to support the democratic society of Israel against those who blow up woman and children sitting down to dinner.

If that behavior causes them to want to attack us, then the only solution is to attack them.
I have seen sources that states estimated deaths in Iraq to 655,000.

http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/meast/10/11/iraq.deaths/

The survery estimates that 31% of those 655,000 deaths are du to the actions of the coalition.

http://www.unknownnews.net/casualties.html

This one estimates over 720,000 civilians deaths in Iraq.

Sure Sadam was a tyrant. But where are the WMDs? Al Quaeda wasn't active in Iraq before this mess started. The US led occupation drew them there so they have some responsibilities in the consequences of Al Quaeda's attacks. The war in Iraq was a lie plain and simple. Goerge W had a hidden ajenda (still hidden) and he led his country in a dirty war for the wrong reasons. I think history will condemn his action in regard to Iraq and he will be remembered as one of the worst US President of the history.
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I have seen sources that states estimated deaths in Iraq to 655,000.

http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/meast/10/11/iraq.deaths/

The survery estimates that 31% of those 655,000 deaths are du to the actions of the coalition.

http://www.unknownnews.net/casualties.html

This one estimates over 720,000 civilians deaths in Iraq.

Sure Sadam was a tyrant. But where are the WMDs? Al Quaeda wasn't active in Iraq before this mess started. The US led occupation drew them there so they have some responsibilities in the consequences of Al Quaeda's attacks. The war in Iraq was a lie plain and simple. Goerge W had a hidden ajenda (still hidden) and he led his country in a dirty war for the wrong reasons. I think history will condemn his action in regard to Iraq and he will be remembered as one of the worst US President of the history.
Buddy,

There is no point of communicating with him on this any more...
The winners create history, therefore... It will go in American history the same way the Hiroshima and Nagasaki events went -- completely justified to wipe off 250k lives in an instant + who knows how many more after that because of (im)possible events that could have happened. This time it will be almost a million of Iraqis for something else that will never be proven...
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I have seen sources that states estimated deaths in Iraq to 655,000.

http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/meast/10/11/iraq.deaths/

The survery estimates that 31% of those 655,000 deaths are du to the actions of the coalition.

http://www.unknownnews.net/casualties.html

This one estimates over 720,000 civilians deaths in Iraq.

Sure Sadam was a tyrant. But where are the WMDs? Al Quaeda wasn't active in Iraq before this mess started. The US led occupation drew them there so they have some responsibilities in the consequences of Al Quaeda's attacks. The war in Iraq was a lie plain and simple. Goerge W had a hidden ajenda (still hidden) and he led his country in a dirty war for the wrong reasons. I think history will condemn his action in regard to Iraq and he will be remembered as one of the worst US President of the history.
The study in the article you link to has been discredited. You can read about their fatally flaw methodology here.

I do not know what happened to the WMD. We know he had them. We know he used them. We know he did not dispose of them as he was required to under the terms of the 1992 cease fire agreement and relevant UN Security Council Resolutions.

Should we have simply taken his word that they were gone?

Should we have allowed the sanctions to be lifted given that the Duelfer Report estimated he would have been able to resume chemical weapon production within 6 months?

I would be curious as to why you believe that George W. Bush alone knew that Saddam has somehow disposed of his WMD stocks when Bill Clinton, Tony Blair, or any intelligence service of note did not believe that?
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I have showed you two sources and I have seen others that support these numbers. Even if these figures are off (lets say by 50%)the costs in human live is still way too high.

The WMDs were an excuse. Of course the US knew he had them, the US supply them to him during his war against Iran on the 80s. There is plenty of other nations that display a barbaric regime just as cruel and immoral as Sadam but they still stand. Sadam was a mad man and you can thank the US for their contributions in putting him and maintaining him into power back in the days. The US foreign policy is the source of a lot of wrong stuff in this world and their reign is soon over. China is the superpower of tomorrow and I hope the transition will be peaceful.
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