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      02-21-2012, 08:48 AM   #45
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I'm more interested in knowing what makes Obama a dipshit? Even those who don't like his politics mostly think he's a good guy.
I never said he wasn't a good person, I'm sure he is. I'm not one of those idiots that thinks he's out to ruin the country.
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This only proves that you are not to be listened to. In addition to the fact that the stimulus plan was supported by the leading economists, you are perpetuating the infantile premise that an administration's policies are single-handedly conceived, developed, and implemented by a single person - the president.

And why would you question a magna-cum-laude Harvard graduate, who was president of the law review, on his educational credentials? Does it appear to you that he has difficulty delivering speeches, answering questions, or holding debates? Really, just cut the shit and get to your point, if you have one.
http://www.boston.com/bostonglobe/ed...ernment_folly/

and why question authority...because learning for learning's sake is what makes us human...no other being does it...

I'll create a reading list for you...

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There are a lot of Ivy grads for you to disagree with in those opinions...

But me...I hope that you never get H. pylori because world medical establishment laughed at the thought that an infection could cause heartburn...we all knew it was from an over production of acid...

Always question...always challenge...always learn...
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http://www.boston.com/bostonglobe/ed...ernment_folly/

and why question authority...because learning for learning's sake is what makes us human...no other being does it...

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There are a lot of Ivy grads for you to disagree with in those opinions...

But me...I hope that you never get H. pylori because world medical establishment laughed at the thought that an infection could cause heartburn...we all knew it was from an over production of acid...

Always question...always challenge...always learn...
Yeah, like this is really hard to do...
http://www.time.com/time/business/ar...918692,00.html

And F your philosophy, and F your reading list. You name any other top grad from Columbia and Harvard Law - and a Chicago Law professor - who gets treated like the idiot you make him out to be, and I'll chalk this up to something other than what it obviously is.

By the way, who the hell are you anyway? I'm sure your qualified to judge US presidents.
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I have my issues with Obama.... but he is still better than these ding dongs:

Rick: Crazy religious freak from the last century, and hates himself because he is gay.

Newt: Egomaniac, cheats on two sick wives, and lectures us about family values... also, he is a dick.

Mitt: He believes in magic underwear, and has the charisma of a xerox machine.

Ron: Bat-shit crazy, older than time itself, and probably lives in a bunker hoarding gold and caned foods...
good stuff....thanks

I also wish Sarah was in it too...
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Yeah, like this is really hard to do...
http://www.time.com/time/business/ar...918692,00.html

And F your philosophy, and F your reading list. You name any other top grad from Columbia and Harvard Law - and a Chicago Law professor - who gets treated like the idiot you make him out to be, and I'll chalk this up to something other than what it obviously is.

By the way, who the hell are you anyway? I'm sure your qualified to judge US presidents.
why are you so angry??? and your mind so closed???

you clearly have uber-negative karma and our paths are to never cross again...

BTW...the boston globe is generally a progressive (their words) leaning board...Time maganize...well everyone knows their stance...so consider the source...
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why are you so angry??? and your mind so closed???

you clearly have uber-negative karma and our paths are to never cross again...

BTW...the boston globe is generally a progressive (their words) leaning board...Time maganize...well everyone knows their stance...so consider the source...
Because this anti-Obama propaganda war has been going on since 2006, and it's getting very old. And I'm not talking at all about his senate voting record, or his policies as president; I'm talking about a pervasive hatred for the man which compells people to claim that his top-tier education is all a sham, that his religion is a sham, that his US birth is a sham, that his position as a democratic president is a cover for a hidden agenda as the anti-christ, a destroyer of America.

If you think I'm overreacting, think about Sarah Palin, our almost VP, who had a 50/50 chance of stepping up to president. She has the sorriest excuse for a college education, having attended a total of 5 crap colleges just to earn 1 undergraduate degree. She clearly is not well versed in history or finance, and does not speak well or debate well. Yet there was NO opposition to her possibly becoming president on the basis of her education.

Obama ran for president for 2 years, now he's in his 4th year as president. Love him or hate him, he's clearly proven that he can have a press conference, without a teleprompter, and answer questions for hours. There's virtually nothing that he stumbles on, or says "well I'll check on that and get back to ya". Yet after all this, and all this time, I still have to endure these nobodys who say "yeah, I bet the guy's illiterate, he certainly can't add numbers, I'm sure he breezed through college on his minority status". It's just pathetic.

Finally, my point about the article was that there's not one definitive conclusion about the car thing, and it's unbelieveable that something so trivial is even a debate topic. But thanks for telling me what kind of paper the Boston Globe is, I've only been getting it for 28 years.
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Love him or hate him, he's clearly proven that he can have a press conference, without a teleprompter, and answer questions for hours. There's virtually nothing that he stumbles on, or says "well I'll check on that and get back to ya".
This statement, while true, would also equally apply to Ryan Seacrest, the salesman of the year down at the used car dealer, or any other number of those who are much more gifted orators than George W Bush was. I'm not even one of those who thinks Obama's education was a sham. However, even if you are legitimately the most "book smart" person in your graduating class, with a charismatic speaking style, that alone does not prepare you to be POTUS.

His lack of leadership experience compared to many previous presidents is pretty obvious when you see how politically clumsy he is with the congress. Had he spent significant time in senior leadership role a major corporation, he possibly could have acquired some of those skills, but as it is now, he is stumbling and learning on the job, which is fine for a 19 yr old kid at McDonalds, but not for his role.

You keep inferring that everyone who is not a fan of his policies must be some big racist. Sadly, I am sure that may be true for some who dont like him. For many others, it has less to do with the color of his skin, and more to do with how poorly he is steering the ship. Personally, had a white male won the nomination, got elected and had the same results so far, I would be equally disappointed, regardless of what party they represented.
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Because this anti-Obama propaganda war has been going on since 2006, and it's getting very old. And I'm not talking at all about his senate voting record, or his policies as president; I'm talking about a pervasive hatred for the man which compells people to claim that his top-tier education is all a sham, that his religion is a sham, that his US birth is a sham, that his position as a democratic president is a cover for a hidden agenda as the anti-christ, a destroyer of America.

"yeah, I bet the guy's illiterate, he certainly can't add numbers, I'm sure he breezed through college on his minority status". It's just pathetic.
wow, were really going to talk about anti-president rhetoric, everyone was so civil towards bush.

Top tier education a sham? ive never heard this, really. Not once. though i will admit, it hasn't done anything to help his understanding of the complex situations hes in.

His religion is a scam? So whenever its a negative like quoting Jerimiah rite (sp), hes christian and otherwise hes muslim? i must have missed that. Hes been christian since day one to everybody.

Nobody said his U.S. birth was a sham (outside of trump maybe) the argument is that he wont release his long form birth certificate, seeing as hes the first president NOT from the mainland it would make sense to want to see it.

His position as democrat president isnt a cover for anything, he is openly enacting policies that are counterproductive to Americas future. Hes just too stupid to see it, apparently those ivy league degrees dont make you intelligent. I could ask my moron cousins from Cornell and Yale and get just as incomprehensible answers. So I assure you, Obama isnt special in that regard. Its the person that has to be a good base to build on, you can only build so much on a bad foundation.

The last thing in the quote im not even going to touch. I just left it to illustrate how dumb it was that you even believe it.

Their are morons on either side that are going to say silly things about whatever president is in office, Hell listen to half of the rhetoric coming out of the Ron Paul camp. My point is that your acting as though Obama is being treated special for this that or the other thing when he isnt.

MOST people have an issue, with as you said, his senate voting record and most importantly his policies.

P.S. Profit is not the same as "money that entered the economy" as Time reports the number. misleading the reader into believing that it created a absolute profit. The money had to leave gov to enter the market and further more it does not address at all how many purchases would have been made otherwise or the impact on the used car market which the poor are far more greatly affected by....It pains me to say, but the Boston globe article was well written especially compared to the agenda driven Time article.

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Really??

Because it's totally unacceptable to refute the assertion that everyone who is not an Obama fan must be an ignorant, uneducated redneck racist hick who believes he is a Muslim born outside the United States, and also thinks he possesses an illegitimate degree and a subversive agenda to destroy the country ? Nobody could possibly be unhappy with his policies or results, so if they are not a believer then they must hate the person ?

Really ?
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Nobama was pretty obviously an accomplished academic, even with the affirmative action boost he surely benefited from (sorry no protests allowed, it's pervasive in the Ivy League). Law Review--it's a big deal, major in every way. But his life is bookended by his Harvard time on one end (academia) and.....(wait for it).....getting elected a couple of times (PT Barnum had some thoughts on this). In between, he has done absolutely nothing of substance whatsoever. Never led, never served, never ran a business, never really worked for a living. So outrage over the (truly) weird challenges to him simply serve to mask the real challenge--that he was and continues to be in over his head and is a lightweight of no substance. Ideally he'll be voted out shortly and can toddle off back to academia where he has excelled and truly belongs.
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Really??

Because it's totally unacceptable to refute the assertion that everyone who is not an Obama fan must be an ignorant, uneducated redneck racist hick who believes he is a Muslim born outside the United States, and also thinks he possesses an illegitimate degree and a subversive agenda to destroy the country ? Nobody could possibly be unhappy with his policies or results, so if they are not a believer then they must hate the person ?

Really ?
Hey I'm with you about our current President.... I was giving you a heads up about the rath that is coming......
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wow, were really going to talk about anti-president rhetoric, everyone was so civil towards bush.
Bush was an idiot - his family money got him into Phillips, then Yale, where he was a cheerleader with crappy grades. Then he was a drunk coke-head, and was given several companies which he ran into the ground. He became Governor only because of his name. As president, he was a lousy speaker and weak debator, and could not answer live questions. Anything else?
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Top tier education a sham? ive never heard this, really. Not once. though i will admit, it hasn't done anything to help his understanding of the complex situations hes in.
FYI, this is from about 5 posts above...
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He seriously does not have a basic grasp of economics...and I would love, love, love, love, love to actually read some of his writings from his law review years...
I can pull up about 1,000 other examples, just in this forum.
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His religion is a scam? So whenever its a negative like quoting Jerimiah rite (sp), hes christian and otherwise hes muslim? i must have missed that. Hes been christian since day one to everybody.
Nobody said his U.S. birth was a sham (outside of trump maybe)
03/24/2010 04:03 AM ID: 83475 Permalink

Majority of Republicans Believe Obama is a Socialist Muslim
According to a new Harris poll, 57 percent of Republicans believe President Barack Obama is a Muslim, and 67 percent believe him to be a socialist. This despite Obama´s relation of his Christian faith in ´The Audacity of Hope.´

The poll also found that 45 percent of Republicans, and 1 of 4 Americans, believe Obama was not born in the United States "and so is not eligible to be president." This "birther" claim has even been dismissed by Fox News´ Bill O´Reilly.

38 percent of Republicans believe that Obama is "doing many things Hitler did," and nearly a quarter of Republicans -- 24 percent -- believe that Obama "may be the anti-Christ."

Wow, you're batting a thousand today, huh!

Oh, and to this...
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You keep inferring that everyone who is not a fan of his policies must be some big racist.
I already said this...
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And I'm not talking at all about his senate voting record, or his policies as president.
You people collectively can't debate to save your lives.
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In between, he has done absolutely nothing of substance whatsoever. Never led, never served, never ran a business, never really worked for a living. So outrage over the (truly) weird challenges to him simply serve to mask the real challenge--that he was and continues to be in over his head and is a lightweight of no substance. Ideally he'll be voted out shortly and can toddle off back to academia where he has excelled and truly belongs.
You skipped about 30 years of significant work as a law professor among others, but hey, nobody ever said you knew what the hell you were talking about. To about half the country, he's got an amazing amount of substance, but that's called an opinion, as is yours. However, what I don't understand is why you feel compelled to repeat this exact same "lightweight of no substance" rant about 20 times now. Opinions are useless, nobody cares about my opinions or your opinions. But I have to say that this constant need for you to repeat this opinion points to some seriously troubling issues you must have.
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You skipped about 30 years of significant work as a law professor among others, but hey, nobody ever said you knew what the hell you were talking about. To about half the country, he's got an amazing amount of substance, but that's called an opinion, as is yours. However, what I don't understand is why you feel compelled to repeat this exact same "lightweight of no substance" rant about 20 times now. Opinions are useless, nobody cares about my opinions or your opinions. But I have to say that this constant need for you to repeat this opinion points to some seriously troubling issues you must have.
Significant work as a law professor? Puhleeese! A senior lecturer to be specific and accurate. The law school dissembled but it's clear he was never full time, never on a tenure track and BTW, his "law career" was a just a little over a decade (not 30 years) during which he was never, ever a full professor. Too busy with his other great pursuits. A part-time law something or other. What an enviable record. Of course he was engaged full time as a community organizer so he probably didn't have much time available. He is a creation, a convenient fiction, an amazing fabrication and, incredibly enough, we all bought it.
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good job refuting very little scotch. commenting on his lack of knowledge in economics is in no way saying his education is a sham, though it is saying he may as well have majored in art....which i agree with i deliver. Since dady Bush got Bush jr. in, who got Obama in? who footed the bill?

as far as your polls i disagree with the numbers pulled. anybody who believes that crap is a nut. so it would seem its a moot point anyhow. Funny how with Obama his school is real yet with Bush absolutely not. You sort of prove the point that liberals are the biggest coolaid drinkers out their.

while im talking about the polls.

1) Lets not forget Chavez calling Bush the devil to the applause of the UN assembly.
2)Obama does have socialist and communist IDEALS. It would not be a stretch for someone to believe he was a socialist.
3) my father was a leading WWII historian. There are many parallels between certain aspects of this administration and the National Socialist Workers Party in regards to some of its ideals. Obviously not the bigotry.

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Hey, I just realized that I'm wasting my time debating with you misguided losers. Why should I try to seek your affirmations on basic facts and widely held opinions?
In fact, based on the positions you've taken in these debates, the last thing I'd want is to be on your side.
I'm gonna step back and let you guys stew in your conservative pot, while I firmly latch onto the economic recovery that my elected president has helped bring about. I'll stay on the right side of all the issues, be they social, environmental, fiscal, or tactical, while you decide among candidates that deny evolution.
You all did this to yourselves. A sane, properly guided GOP would've nominated Huntsman, but the tea party crackpots steered the ship aground. Now you're faced with an empty suit battling a couple of neanderthals.
GOBAMA!
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You keep inferring that everyone who is not a fan of his policies must be some big racist. Sadly, I am sure that may be true for some who dont like him. For many others, it has less to do with the color of his skin, and more to do with how poorly he is steering the ship. Personally, had a white male won the nomination, got elected and had the same results so far, I would be equally disappointed, regardless of what party they represented.
Glad I'm not the only one who sees it!



The fact that some random "article" was quoted as revealing people that actually believe Obama is the anti-Christ is hysterical. I wonder what source that came from, LOL
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When is anyone going to ever realize that it was George W. Bush that got America into all this mess. He started the "bailouts" and borrowing the money from the Chinese after he blew all our reserves. Now he's in Crawford, TX laughing his ass off with all the money his oil companies have made since gas was $1.27 a gallon when he took over as President in 2000. No matter who followed him as President the results would still be the same today and he would be taking the blame for it. There is no instant fix in any economy that is affected not just here, but worldwide.
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When is anyone going to ever realize that it was George W. Bush that got America into all this mess. He started the "bailouts" and borrowing the money from the Chinese after he blew all our reserves. Now he's in Crawford, TX laughing his ass off with all the money his oil companies have made since gas was $1.27 a gallon when he took over as President in 2000. No matter who followed him as President the results would still be the same today and he would be taking the blame for it. There is no instant fix in any economy that is affected not just here, but worldwide.
The price of crude oil has risen at a much higher percentage than the price of pump gas....

For some reason only those in finance seem to understand what caused the recession Heres an overview of what is making the current situation worse-

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/bob-ja...insights-offer

As far as the bailouts ive already spoken on the subject of the intended purpose of TARP and what it actually did. Not to mention the people in the mortgage industry and the info that has come out regarding the practices of government run "private firms" I.E. fannie, freddie..

Nobody expected an instant fix, but it would be nice to have a president interested in fixing this economy instead of one that has far more interest in making everyone subordinate to his ideas of "fairness" etc.
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Because this anti-Obama propaganda war has been going on since 2006, and it's getting very old. And I'm not talking at all about his senate voting record, or his policies as president; I'm talking about a pervasive hatred for the man which compells people to claim that his top-tier education is all a sham, that his religion is a sham, that his US birth is a sham, that his position as a democratic president is a cover for a hidden agenda as the anti-christ, a destroyer of America.

If you think I'm overreacting, think about Sarah Palin, our almost VP, who had a 50/50 chance of stepping up to president. She has the sorriest excuse for a college education, having attended a total of 5 crap colleges just to earn 1 undergraduate degree. She clearly is not well versed in history or finance, and does not speak well or debate well. Yet there was NO opposition to her possibly becoming president on the basis of her education.

Obama ran for president for 2 years, now he's in his 4th year as president. Love him or hate him, he's clearly proven that he can have a press conference, without a teleprompter, and answer questions for hours. There's virtually nothing that he stumbles on, or says "well I'll check on that and get back to ya". Yet after all this, and all this time, I still have to endure these nobodys who say "yeah, I bet the guy's illiterate, he certainly can't add numbers, I'm sure he breezed through college on his minority status". It's just pathetic.

Finally, my point about the article was that there's not one definitive conclusion about the car thing, and it's unbelieveable that something so trivial is even a debate topic. But thanks for telling me what kind of paper the Boston Globe is, I've only been getting it for 28 years.
You are spot on. I completely agree with everything you have said.

But it also has to be said that every president I can remember since Nixon has received the same kind of treatment from the opposition.

George W Bush lost credibility with Dems before he even took office because of the election controversy and things only went downhill from there. The Dems always felt he stole the election with the help of Katherine Harris and the involvement of the right leaning Supreme court. His first 2 years in office were a disaster with the country totally divided, until 9/11. The country's misfortune proved to be a political winner for him, when the country naturally came together to defeat the enemy, Al Qaeda and Osama Bin Laden. But he never gained the true respect of Dems who saw him as inarticulate and intellectually weak. They believed Dick Cheney and Karl Rove were calling all the shots. Many Dems still feel He intentionally misled the American people about the reasons for war with Iraq. Dems absolutely hated George W Bush.


Bill Clinton was viscerally despised by republicans who thought of him as an untrustworthy fast talking hillbilly shiester and never accepted his legitimacy as president. His first 4 years in office were very similar to Obama's, with republicans hurling everything at him and his wife but the kitchen sink. His political fortunes turned when he signed NAFTA and the economy finally turned around, though scandals like Whitewater and Monica Lewinsky dogged him throughout his presidency. Though Clinton has rehabilitated his image since leaving office he is still hated by many on the right.


Most on this forum only have a memory of Ronald Regan viewed through a lens of exaggerated nostalgic reverence, but during his presidency he was seen by Dems as a dumb former actor with no real smarts and no credentials to be president. He was the but of many jokes about him including some pretty nasty ones about his intellectual ability (or lack thereof). Nancy Regan was seen as a protective but controlling wife calling the shots. His first 4 years in office were no picnic with several missteps and political defeats. His popularity was very low rolling into his 3rd year in office. Like Clinton his fortunes turned around with the economy and also with the fall of the Soviet Union. Though he had a very successful second term in office and he is revered by the right, many on the left are not as enamored with the legacy and only grudgingly give him any respect.


I won't even go into the rap on Jimmy Carter, the hillbilly peanut farmer from Georgia, it's all cliche at this point. Though as a proud Democrat I think the rap on him is unfair and biased. Sadly he had many accomplishments in office that will go largely uncelebrated. I believe he was a victim of circumstances. The Iran hostage crises proved to be his undoing. The republicans continue to use him as a pinata.

Nor will I elaborate on Richard Nixon, there is just too much there to elaborate on. And all of it is well documented. Nixon continues to be the poster boy for the excesses and abuses of power and in my opinion he is the reason why there is so much mistrust of the government today.

So when you put it all into context, the treatment Obama is getting from the right is not surprising at all. It's not cool, but it's not surprising either.
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