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      02-21-2012, 09:05 PM   #1
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So....who is up for arming the Syrian resistance??

We can't just let those people die? Can we?
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The whole "Arab Spring" thing is a crapshoot. Aiding the rebels in any mideast country could mean giving aid and weapons to future enemies and terrorists. It's a nice dream to hope that they'll remember who helped them, but more likely they'll go right back to "Death to the Great Satan" as soon as the dust settles.
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I say let them kill eachother, we're not here to save the world, we're not god.

On the other hand, if you're going to arm a group, arm Al Qaeda, about time we use them for our own good.
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The whole "Arab Spring" thing is a crapshoot. Aiding the rebels in any mideast country could mean giving aid and weapons to future enemies and terrorists. It's a nice dream to hope that they'll remember who helped them, but more likely they'll go right back to "Death to the Great Satan" as soon as the dust settles.
+1. We have no presence to follow up so in that vacuum, Great Satan is indeed the default.
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I say let them kill eachother, we're not here to save the world, we're not god.

On the other hand, if you're going to arm a group, arm Al Qaeda, about time we use them for our own good.
you already did that..

similarly.. arm everyone in syria.. let them kill each other up to a point, and then move in to "stop terrorism" occupying Syria.. Its been done before..... operatin Syrian freedom here i come!!
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The whole "Arab Spring" thing is a crapshoot. Aiding the rebels in any mideast country could mean giving aid and weapons to future enemies and terrorists. It's a nice dream to hope that they'll remember who helped them, but more likely they'll go right back to "Death to the Great Satan" as soon as the dust settles.
Pretty much this.

We're already having problems with Afghans trusting us and we're still there... Iraqis are already mad at us too, it's only a matter of time.

While I do feel that something needs to be done, I don't think it should be a "US/World Police" problem, it should be a UN problem. If multiple nations can agree to come together and work on a solution, then the whole "Great Satan" thing is kind of defeated since it's not just the US imposing their will on another country.
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Here comes the Muslim Brotherhood into Syria... yay. A Dictator who ran a secular state or another Iran... you pick.
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One thing is for sure and that is that this dictator must go. Killing and torturing of his own people can not be tolerated. Hopefully someone better will replace him and those around him. They are literally slaughtering people in Syria these days and that is very bad.
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So....who is up for arming the Syrian resistance??

We can't just let those people die? Can we?
I see what ya did there.


In case you people missed it which i think you did, the OP was speaking about a certain sentiment. The sentiment that the countries in the Middle East hate us because we are provoking them as world police. This argument is easily crushed when you think about ALLLLLLL of the in fighting in the Area. These governments have NO problem killing their constituency. These people ultimately want power and further more will be damned (literally?) if otherwise.

They Rebel for freedom, and Social Extremest take over once the old ruling party is crippled far enough. I feel bad for these people. they want a better life but by going about change they way they are (fighting etc) they are only opening the door for the situation to be worse than before.

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Everytime the US sticks it's nose into something it was not invited to it always gets worse. One time we helped the Afgan rebels to defeat the Russians and when we decided it was no longer in our interest to help them they turned against us. Their leader was Osma Bin Laden and we all know what happened on 9/11, because he was mad at us abandoning him and his fighters.
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Everytime the US sticks it's nose into something it was not invited to it always gets worse. One time we helped the Afgan rebels to defeat the Russians and when we decided it was no longer in our interest to help them they turned against us. Their leader was Osma Bin Laden and we all know what happened on 9/11, because he was mad at us abandoning him and his fighters.
Not so much. He was mad because Saudi his homeland picked the U.S. to protect them in 1991 against Saddam and not him.
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Pretty much this.

We're already having problems with Afghans trusting us and we're still there... Iraqis are already mad at us too, it's only a matter of time.

While I do feel that something needs to be done, I don't think it should be a "US/World Police" problem, it should be a UN problem. If multiple nations can agree to come together and work on a solution, then the whole "Great Satan" thing is kind of defeated since it's not just the US imposing their will on another country.
US is like 80% of the UN so no matter what they still get blamed as the Great Satan.
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US is like 80% of the UN so no matter what they still get blamed as the Great Satan.
It is also amazing how the US is the main country everyone turns to for help when they have a crisis no matter they feel about us. Whenever the US needs help for anything they always turn their backs to us, but expect us to be The World's Police Force or "Fire Marshall Bill" for everything that happens.
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not our problem. let them kill each other.
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So....who is up for arming the Syrian resistance??

We can't just let those people die? Can we?
I see what ya did there.


In case you people missed it which i think you did, the OP was speaking about a certain sentiment. The sentiment that the countries in the Middle East hate us because we are provoking them as world police. This argument is easily crushed when you think about ALLLLLLL of the in fighting in the Area. These governments have NO problem killing their constituency. These people ultimately want power and further more will be damned (literally?) if otherwise.

They Rebel for freedom, and Social Extremest take over once the old ruling party is crippled far enough. I feel bad for these people. they want a better life but by going about change they way they are (fighting etc) they are only opening the door for the situation to be worse than before.
I'm not that clever...lol

But all of the opinions were instructive and insightful.
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not our problem. let them kill each other.
Do you stand with the same opinion when it comes to the Palestinian/Israeli issue
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Do you stand with the same opinion when it comes to the Palestinian/Israeli issue
The irony is unbelievable. The same people who promote war to us everyday (Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya etc.) don't want to do anything about the Palestinian conflict. They say that we must take immediate action for recent problems but take no action for the Israel/Palestine issue that has been going on for decades?

The fact is we use the U.N. when we want to murder who we want to, but if it comes to using the U.N. to make a Palestinian state "Oh no that's not the way, it can only be achieved through peace talks." Bullshit double-standards. The same can be said of nuclear weapons; they are terrible things but we are allowed to have them!
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Can the US at this point in time really afford to interfere? why not wait a bit and concentrate energies on the economy and get home life back in order before trying to help another country get settled first...

Yes, things need to get done, and other countries need help, but if you keep helping other countries before your own, you're going to run into deeper problems.
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Can the US at this point in time really afford to interfere? why not wait a bit and concentrate energies on the economy and get home life back in order before trying to help another country get settled first...

Yes, things need to get done, and other countries need help, but if you keep helping other countries before your own, you're going to run into deeper problems.
lets be honest here. If we interfere, someone worse is going to hop into control once the gov is ousted just like every other uprising in an Arab country and use it for fodder on why we shouldnt "police others". If we dont intervene, people are going to say that we dont care and that we let them die.

Such a sticky subject, i dont see a right answer for this....
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lets be honest here. If we interfere, someone worse is going to hop into control once the gov is ousted just like every other uprising in an Arab country and use it for fodder on why we shouldnt "police others". If we dont intervene, people are going to say that we dont care and that we let them die.

Such a sticky subject, i dont see a right answer for this....
Fair point.

And sadly I see this turning into a whole election thing. They will weigh in on what the public is thinking and try to work it so votes work in the Presidents favor, I'm willing to bet.
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