What do Mormons believe?

[JesterEXW]

Originally Posted by BKsBimmer

Sorry but you're not correct. Surveillance was underway before Obama was in office but the actual raid was not planned till January of 2011. Obama was intimately involved in the planning and made key decisions such as overruling a joint operation with Pakistani forces which ensured operational security and deciding to equip the team to fight it's way out if necessary. Both decisions proved to be fateful in the success of the mission.

I'm amazed when people say the president get's no credit for the success of the mission to kill Bin Laden. No one would deny if anything had gone wrong he would certainly get all the blame.

I don't want to get too into this but I feel obligated to provide a response. Much of my career revolves around military action, political policy as well as other aspects. I believe you are somewhat misinformed on the subject. While Obama did approve the strike he was certainly not the one to initiate the operation or to plan it. It was rolling prior to his taking office. If you honestly believe that the POTUS sat there planning Infil and Exfil routes, HLZs, Quarantines, Air Space Deconfliction and other low level aspects then you are obviously not familiar with how it all works.
I will say this again, he signed off on it, and for that I give him credit but not much. Anyone would have made the same decision and he did not set the program rolling, he was just lucky enough to reap the rewards since it went down on his watch.
The initial point was this: if you are going to post pro-Obama points here then do your cause justice and pick things that can be directly attributable to him. I am not anti-Obama I am simply anti-weak arguments that waste everyone's time. I would have said the same thing if Romney were in office when this all went down.

[CamelBiscuit]

I thought this was about Mormons and their magic undies?

[litt]

Originally Posted by CamelBiscuit

I thought this was about Mormons and their magic undies?

A good number of religions wear special clothing (Judaism and Catholicism to name two). An even larger number of various organizations wear special clothing. We call them garments. There is nothing magical about them. They are simply an outward expression of an inner commitment to Jesus Christ and we wear them as a constant reminder of the commitments we have made to follow the teachings of Christ and keep the commandants to the best of our ability. They are biblical in nature (from Exodus). They are symbolic. Two links below if you want to understand them a bit better:

http://www.lightplanet.com/mormons/t...underwear.html

http://mormon-underwear.com/

[BKsBimmer]

Originally Posted by JesterEXW

I don't want to get too into this but I feel obligated to provide a response. Much of my career revolves around military action, political policy as well as other aspects. I believe you are somewhat misinformed on the subject. While Obama did approve the strike he was certainly not the one to initiate the operation or to plan it. It was rolling prior to his taking office. If you honestly believe that the POTUS sat there planning Infil and Exfil routes, HLZs, Quarantines, Air Space Deconfliction and other low level aspects then you are obviously not familiar with how it all works.
I will say this again, he signed off on it, and for that I give him credit but not much. Anyone would have made the same decision and he did not set the program rolling, he was just lucky enough to reap the rewards since it went down on his watch.
The initial point was this: if you are going to post pro-Obama points here then do your cause justice and pick things that can be directly attributable to him. I am not anti-Obama I am simply anti-weak arguments that waste everyone's time. I would have said the same thing if Romney were in office when this all went down.

And I don't want to hijack my own thread but I don't concede your point. Firstly you mischarachterized my words. I never stated that Obama initiated the mission or the plan. I said he was involved in the planning, to the extent he made some key decisions, including the decision to pull the trigger, for which I give him full credit. For me it's not a given that any president would have made that decision given the potential consequences of a botched mission. The fallout could have been catastrophic not just for the president, but most importantly it would have been devastating blow to the morale and standing in the world of the US military and to the psyche of all US citizens. You might want to minimize that but in my opinion the stakes couldn't have been more huge. He rightfully gets the credit he deserves.

Now, back to Mormanism...

[JesterEXW]

Originally Posted by BKsBimmer

And I don't want to hijack my own thread but I don't concede your point. Firstly you mischarachterized my words. I never stated that Obama initiated the mission or the plan. I said he was involved in the planning, to the extent he made some key decisions, including the decision to pull the trigger, for which I give him full credit. For me it's not a given that any president would have made that decision given the potential consequences of a botched mission. The fallout could have been catastrophic not just for the president, but most importantly it would have been devastating blow to the morale and standing in the world of the US military and to the psyche of all US citizens. You might want to minimize that but in my opinion the stakes couldn't have been more huge. He rightfully gets the credit he deserves.

Now, back to Mormanism...

Fair enough, we will agree to disagree on the point. Sorry for assisting in bringing the conversation way OT, good conversation all around though.