[Ph0zenstone]

sorry the pics are in flash so i couldnt just copy them here

http://content.bmwusa.com/microsite/...RIESTEASEFMA01

heres a printscreen version to compare the 128i and 135i

[NYBMW335]

Am i the only one who is a little upset with the 135. Fine our 335i looks a little better. But the thing is the market for these cars are a bunch of 18-21 year old kids, who are just gonna race at every light and blow the doors off our 335i.

Does this make any sence for bmw to do this?? I mean the market is definatly there, but its taking some sales out of the 335i. Usually the higher the price of the car the more bmw makes on its sale, so why put a car with more performance then the 3 series for less money???

[canucklion]

to piss 335 owners off, judging by your response, I'd say BMW is doing a mighty fine job

Originally Posted by NYBMW335

Am i the only one who is a little upset with the 135. Fine our 335i looks a little better. But the thing is the market for these cars are a bunch of 18-21 year old kids, who are just gonna race at every light and blow the doors off our 335i.

Does this make any sence for bmw to do this?? I mean the market is definatly there, but its taking some sales out of the 335i. Usually the higher the price of the car the more bmw makes on its sale, so why put a car with more performance then the 3 series for less money???

[Slke46]

Nice find... ^^Your right, why would they put the same engine in that car that will most likely beat a 335i? Unless the tranny has different gearing and the engine is not fully tuned for maximum performance... that would make a little sense.

[canucklion]

guys, 1 and 3 series are geared towards different demographics, akin to a golf vs Jetta, golf more boy racer, Jetta more grown up. BMW wants the younger buyers that it anticipates 1 series will attract to start young and stay with the brand, i.e. move from 1 series to 3 to 5 to 7 as they progress in life. It's a smart move. That ends my diplomatic answer.

My real answer: stop being all butt hurt about the 135 beating your 335, boohoo, cry me a river, do you see the 535 owners crying over your 335?

[Vikingus]

Yeah but 5 and 3 series are different cars where 3 and 1 series are essentially the same car, maybe I should say same engine in a different body. Although I don't really care because 3 coupe still looks better but it kind of pisses me off that they would put the same engine in 1 series.

[canucklion]

this argument is so silly and petty. 128=328=528 engine-wise, 135=335=535 engine-wise. I'll say this again, I hope next time a 535 driver sees you on the road, he'll laugh and snicker at you for owning a lesser car but with the same engine found in his 535i, ridiculous? yes, but so is your argument that 1 series should not get the twin turbo'd I6

Originally Posted by Vikingus

Yeah but 5 and 3 series are different cars where 3 and 1 series are essentially the same car, maybe I should say same engine in a different body. Although I don't really care because 3 coupe still looks better but it kind of pisses me off that they would put the same engine in 1 series.

[Ph0zenstone]

i think they should have made a lesser engine for the 1 too...kinda like the Mazda 323, 626, and 929.

[canucklion]

we should have a sub-forum titled: "335 owners who are insecure, and are pissed that 135s are coming"

I'm sure it's only a very small percentage of 335 owners, but the ones that are constantly bashing the 1 series for having the TT I6 engine are sounding like broken records

[NYBMW335]

yea and another one for those who have a 330i and they wish they had a 335i. Its just my opinion. I was just trying to get some answers. But i guess "bashing" is just alot easier then giving an actual answer with some stats behind it. I just asked if it was smart move by BMW. I have nothing against the 135i or 128i.

[jrod1014]

The 1er excites me... I'll check them out as soon as they're available in the states and if I like it enough, I'll lease it for 2 years like I did my 3er. I think it's a fantastic little car and opinions might change as soon as they're seen in person.

[Ph0zenstone]

im not jealous or anything since i dont even have a 335, but its jsut an accident waiting to happen when you advertise a 300hp TT vehicle to kids in highs chool and just getting out of high school....most high school kids here drive a civic or a GTi and think they are in Nascar.

[Vikingus]

Originally Posted by canucklion

this argument is so silly and petty. 128=328=528 engine-wise, 135=335=535 engine-wise. I'll say this again, I hope next time a 535 driver sees you on the road, he'll laugh and snicker at you for owning a lesser car but with the same engine found in his 535i, ridiculous? yes, but so is your argument that 1 series should not get the twin turbo'd I6

pmsing a lot on forums I see. I didn't know that 535 and 528 has the same engine, I thought I read somewhere they were different engine wise. Don't get all pissy, and I'm sorry for having an opinion that differs from yours, I'll PM you for best possible answer next time before I let my "insecurities" speak first.

[mesier1111]

Originally Posted by NYBMW335

Am i the only one who is a little upset with the 135. Fine our 335i looks a little better. But the thing is the market for these cars are a bunch of 18-21 year old kids, who are just gonna race at every light and blow the doors off our 335i.

Does this make any sence for bmw to do this?? I mean the market is definatly there, but its taking some sales out of the 335i. Usually the higher the price of the car the more bmw makes on its sale, so why put a car with more performance then the 3 series for less money???

BMW just became the next fucking Acura........everyone is gonna own one. This is ridiculous. This twin turbo engine is gonna be owned by everyone. I bet you will see more 135s than Camarys on the road.

Nothing special about our cars now, just another dime a dozen car. Fucking pisses me off. Why not just sell the M3 for 35,000? Or lets make a really nice large car with everything the 7 and call it the 4, charge everyone 50,000 bet the 7- series owners would love that one.

[jrod1014]

Originally Posted by phozenstone

im not jealous or anything since i dont even have a 335, but its jsut an accident waiting to happen when you advertise a 300hp TT vehicle to kids in highs chool and just getting out of high school....most high school kids here drive a civic or a GTi and think they are in Nascar.

Like the M3, 3er or <insert nice, fast car here>, those kids whose parents can afford it will give them whatever they want, IMO. It's not like the SRT-4 priced at 20k. I am anticipating a 40k sticker (loaded) for the 135i and that's a figure that your run of the mill racer will be unable to afford. I do agree that irresponsible kids who get the 135i will probably run themselves into the ground but that's why Darwin's natural selection theory exists.

[jrod1014]

Originally Posted by mesier1111

BMW just became the next fucking Acura........everyone is gonna own one. This is ridiculous. This twin turbo engine is gonna be owned by everyone. I bet you will see more 135s than Camarys on the road.

Nothing special about our cars now, just another dime a dozen car. Fucking pisses me off. Why not just make the an M3 and sell it for 35,000? Lets make a really nice large car with everything the 7 has but just a little bit smaller and call is the 4, bet the 7- series owners would love that one.

We'll have to see what happens... I think that this BMW, as cheap ($ wise) as it may be, will still be few and far between. It'd have to be priced at around 25 or less for it to become as common as some other makes, IMO. The average consumer wont pay over 30k for the 1 when you have larger, similarly priced luxury sedans/coupes out there... TL, G35/7, etc... Will they be more common than say a 3 or 5? yeah, probably. Hopefully enthusiasts such as those on this board will be the ones owning it and appreciating it.

[NYBMW335]

I think you wrong, i can see this car being priced at around 28-32k. which puts it in evolution and sti price range. And the 328 at around 22-26k. But then again this is just an educated guess.

[mesier1111]

Originally Posted by canucklion

this argument is so silly and petty. 128=328=528 engine-wise, 135=335=535 engine-wise. I'll say this again, I hope next time a 535 driver sees you on the road, he'll laugh and snicker at you for owning a lesser car but with the same engine found in his 535i, ridiculous? yes, but so is your argument that 1 series should not get the twin turbo'd I6

Ok, think of it this way, the punk in a 135 is gonna blow the fucking doors off the new M3, and stick with the M5s and M6s with no problems. That is BEFORE you add Vishnu. Then, the only thing the Ms will have over the 135 is a badge. ANd don't give me that "its the feel, its the whole driving experience"............this 1 series will be so small that its gonna handle great, and just a few mods, we're talking maybe 3K, its gonna outperform anything.

[TahoeOG]

[jrod1014]

Originally Posted by NYBMW335

I think you wrong, i can see this car being priced at around 28-32k. which puts it in evolution and sti price range. And the 328 at around 22-26k. But then again this is just an educated guess.

28-32k for the 135? I highly doubt it will go that low. Even then, how many STI and Lancer Evo IX's do you see? I see them around, but they're hardly dime-a-dozen cars... 30k isn't chump change when sinking it into a car.

[canucklion]

I'm just telling it like it is, if you look at all the 1 series thread, there's always a few 335 owners that piss on the 135 just because it's a 1 series. If you aruge that you hate the 1 series because it looks ugly, or because it's too small for you, whatever, that's fine. But to simply say that you hate it for the simple fact that you feel the 1 series should't have the same engine as your 335 because it's a lesser, entry level model, that's just plain ignorant.

Originally Posted by Vikingus

pmsing a lot on forums I see. I didn't know that 535 and 528 has the same engine, I thought I read somewhere they were different engine wise. Don't get all pissy, and I'm sorry for having an opinion that differs from yours, I'll PM you for best possible answer next time before I let my "insecurities" speak first.

[techlogik]

ww.1addicts.com pretty much has all the lastest info the the 1 series.