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I think the reality owners will observe will best the figures the EPA has published. In pure highway, with my '07 335i, I get 28.4 to 30.1 with the cruise set at 80. I suspect dropping down to 65 or 70 would put me quite close to 33 mpg, but I just don't like driving that slowly.
Oddly, prior to BMW applying their HPFP and turbo waste gate fixes, I was getting slightly better fuel economy, 29.7 to 31.3 mpg.
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This is an engineering achievement. Here's all you need to know. The F30 328 in auto gets nearly the same gas milage as:
"The Toyota Corolla, which has a great reputation for being frugal, is motivated by a 1.8-liter four with just 132 hp and is rated at 26 mpg city/34 highway when equipped with a four-speed automatic."
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BMW 328i 240HP 6-speed EPA fuel cost 2033$ Toyota Camry 268HP 6-speed EPA fuel cost 2034$ So for 1$ a year, you get 28HP or 12% more. And the 328i won't even touch the Camry V6 5-60mph in 6.1s. Sorry to burst your bulbble, but a 2012 Toyota Camry V6 3.5 is closer to what I would call an engineering achievement. I am saying this even if I *hate* Toyota. Last edited by Saintor; 01-31-2012 at 05:29 PM.. |
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Not sure how I missed this post earlier but wanted to comment:
EPA tests cars in "default" mode. Whatever the car turns on in is what is tested. So in the F30's case that would be "Comfort". ECO Pro will yield additional fuel savings. *This rule is also why BMW can not program cars or allow cars to start in say "sport" mode as it circumvents the default mode as per the EPA requirements, and they are not going to have each mode tested and sell certain cars in certain modes- comfort is the happy medium as far as MPG goes anyways. -M
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kidding aside, how about you compare the cost of BMW 328i vs Camry? BMW is going to be almost twice as much. People pay for the quality, handling and a zillion other things BMW brings to the table. Try getting pu*** with a Camry I mean, your entire genetic future depends on it! :P |
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I live in DC Metro area too. I got caught a couple of weeks ago for driving at 75 / 55 in an early Saturday morning in a wide open road. Besides the $190 fine, that's 6 bad points on my record for 5 years. The officer was nice enough not to give me a reckless driving. In Virginia, driving at 80mph or 20 above speed limit is considered reckless driving. Call it crazy. But it's the reality.
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A carry over 3.5 L port injected V6 mated to a carry over 6 speed auto that gets poor gas mileage. This is your idea of engineering achievement? 0-60 in the 328i auto is 5.9 sec, so your assertion that the Camry can't be touched is categorically incorrect. I think you meant that the Camry can't touch the 328 from 60-0 because the brakes are meant for commuting, all the weight in the front will force the nose to dive and you won't be able to steer the car.
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0-60mph / 5-60mph 2012 328i 5.9 / 7.1s [under reserve, but should be similar as the same-weight Z4 N20 that has also a 0-60mph of 5.9s] 2012 Camry V6 5.8 / 6.1s I am not surprised of the lazy 5-60mph of the Z4 N20; it reflects my experience with the N20 8-sp. I test drove. Just stating the facts. |
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Please show me a link to the article where the Z4 N20 does 5-60 in 7.1, I'm interested in reading this article please.
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Again you cherry pick. Why do you think is says "Test Notes" at the bottom? They left the traction control on. Plus, this is the manual version. You can't compare a manual with a auto, and you certainly can't do it here cause the Camry doesn't come in manual in the US. I could easily point to Insidelines results of
5-60: 5.6 (the difference is they turned the traction control off). http://blogs.insideline.com/straight...sdrive28i.html
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C&D 5-60mph IS representative and there is no tricking/abuse like most publishers do to get the best 0-60mph. They just mash it from low rpm. Real life. |
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That's not bullshit and you need to keep your little attitude down. Whether TC is on / off, it is the same protocol 5-60mph applied to both cars. And they explicitly mention that in the case of the N20, the cause is the lag. |
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Small displacement 4-cyl. turbo are always disadvantaged in the real life 5-60mph and an Audi A4Q Tip gets also a lazy 7.8s. |
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You're embellishing and cherry picking the results you want to see. If one magazine says one thing and another says something else doesn't make your magazine right. Especially when insideline standardizes the test and mentions both TC on and off times and Car and driver mixes and matches and puts a foot note at the end. Like you they are cherry picking.
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Technically the Camry V6 posts better efficiency results than a N20 328i/Z4. PS: I am still getting a F30 328i as my next car. |
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TOYOTA ENGINEERING ACHIEVEMENT TOYOTA CAMRY Mileage estimates (mpg city/highway/combined) I4 6 speed auto - 25/35/28 V6 6 speed auto - 21/30/25 2012 F30 328i 8-speed auto: 24 city / 36 highway - 28 mpg
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Not to mention the crappy service you get from Toyota compared to BMW (and there is a HUGE difference there. My wife owns a Toyota and, well, the only reason she is driving it, is because it was a gift from her mother but other than that, geez, never again.. I'd rather pay twice as much for her next car if I see what we get back for it). |
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