[RichReg]

Originally Posted by Cloudplay

Anybody willing to venture a guess when the earliest ED deliveries for a 4GC could be arranged? 435i GC in carbon black with red interior and 403M wheels looks rather tasty.

Well, first the dealer will tell you there's no E.D. allocation until late July or August....so you have to work with U.S. MSRP even if you go over to Germany.

Then...and here's the best part, BMWCCA is going to tell you that even though you've been paying dues for 5+ years, the 4 Series Gran Coupe is unfortunately EXCLUDED from the rebate program.

Thanks BMW!

[f1point0]

I like it. My favorite is the sport line version. I usually prefer the MSport aesthetic, but I think the MSport version front looks a little weird in the GC.

If this drives as nice as it looks, then it'll be a strong contender for my next car.

[liljestig]

Maybe I'm nostalgic, but I'd wonder how it'd look like with the E9x M 101 19 inch cross spoke rims? anyone? Think the bold chrome of the trims on the car might match up just nice with the polished lips of those wheels.

[Cloudplay]

Originally Posted by RichReg

Well, first the dealer will tell you there's no E.D. allocation until late July or August....so you have to work with U.S. MSRP even if you go over to Germany.

Then...and here's the best part, BMWCCA is going to tell you that even though you've been paying dues for 5+ years, the 4 Series Gran Coupe is unfortunately EXCLUDED from the rebate program.

Thanks BMW!

sadly, this is pretty much what I expect.

[LDSM]

Originally Posted by zarehs27

My Photoshop of the 4GC:long wheelbase, long rear overhang, longer boot trunk, shorter height (a la 6GC)

This looks nice, I prefer the shorter rear overhang but the lower rood looks good

[BMWinGE]

Originally Posted by glennQNYC

Kind of surprised an executive as high up as Poloma would wear jeans to that video… Even the guy from Design put on a suit and tie!

What? That was the best part of the vid

[SamS]

Originally Posted by bclemans

Looks nicer than the 3 series +1
Cost more -1
Heavier -1
Same power output (no M435 GC) -1

• Having a sexier BMW than the thousands of F30s/E90s on the road all around you, +1
• Faster to 60 than F30 +1
• 50/50 weight distribution, lower center of gravity and recalibrated suspension and steering of the F32 +1
• Hatch functionality with auto close (no more slamming the hell out of the F30 trunk) +1
• Optional LED headlights, Individual interior +1

[Falafel Combo]

Still can't believe we're not getting a manual.

[jmcphillips1]

I'm loving the 4GC and the more of you that don't like it, the more it helps me to get one for closer to invoice since the demand won't be as high..haha...The opinions on this car are off the charts. You can stick me in the "I love it" category.

[mattu]

Originally Posted by ///M235i

Still can't believe we're not getting a manual.

Wow I didn't see that...No manual option is dumbfounding. I understand not offering a stick on the F31 and F34 family haulers, but isn't this car supposed to be a sportier 4dr 3er?

[Jamesons Viggen]

Originally Posted by SamS

• Having a sexier BMW than the thousands of F30s/E90s on the road all around you, +1
  
• Faster to 60 than F30 +1
• 50/50 weight distribution, lower center of gravity and recalibrated suspension and steering of the F32 +1
• Hatch functionality with auto close (no more slamming the hell out of the F30 trunk) +1
• Optional LED headlights, Individual interior +1

Let's not be delusional and buy into BS.

In what world do two cars with identical drivetrains, the one with the only change being adding weight-somehow is faster to 60mph. Come on, you know better than that.

[Falafel Combo]

Originally Posted by mattu

Wow I didn't see that...No manual option is dumbfounding. I understand not offering a stick on the F31 and F34 family haulers, but isn't this car supposed to be a sportier 4dr 3er?

Does anyone know if it is possible to custom order a manual on this car, even though BMW USA will not be offering it?


SHUT UP AND TAKE MY MONEY BMW, sort of thing? Inquisitive minds inquire.

[Falafel Combo]

Originally Posted by Jamesons Viggen

Let's not be delusional and buy into BS.

In what world do two cars with identical drivetrains, the one with the only change being adding weight-somehow is faster to 60mph. Come on, you know better than that.

Tune? The dyno never matches up to the "advertised" power numbers, and BMW never advertises the accurate numbers anyway. Not that 0.1s difference would matter to me personally, but what they are advertising is certainly within the realm of possibility.

[Jamesons Viggen]

Originally Posted by ///M235i

Tune? The dyno never matches up to the "advertised" power numbers, and BMW never advertises the accurate numbers anyway. Not that 0.1s difference would matter to me personally, but what they are advertising is certainly within the realm of possibility.

There is no tune, it's the same N20 and N55 as the 4 coupe, the 3 sedan, wagon, GT.

I have first hand production line experience(though with OEMs I admit it's been awhile lol).

There are tons of drivetrains just sitting there. When a production run is called up, they don't reach for a special-blessed by god N20/N55 that makes 10hp more just because it is being put in a 4 vs a 3. That is not how these cars are built.

[Falafel Combo]

Originally Posted by Jamesons Viggen

There is no tune, it's the same N20 and N55 as the 4 coupe, the 3 sedan, wagon, GT.

I have first hand production line experience(though with OEMs I admit it's been awhile lol).

There are tons of drivetrains just sitting there. When a production run is called up, they don't reach for a special-blessed by god N20/N55 that makes 10hp more just because it is being put in a 4 vs a 3. That is not how these cars are built.

Good insight. That does make sense.

[Jamesons Viggen]

Originally Posted by ///M235i

Good insight. That does make sense.

Also, typically, these engines are not assembled in house, or in the same building where the cars are assembled. They arrive in full assembled condition, ready to be bolted to the rest of the drivetrain and then inserted into the unibody in what they call a "marriage".

So engines arrive and are stored. Again, not ear-marked for going into certain cars over others, especially due to making a small amount more power. That may only be true in a smaller production batch of say E92/3 335 IS cars where perhaps the N54s are specific for those production runs.

[mkoesel]

Originally Posted by Jamesons Viggen

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So engines arrive and are stored. Again, not ear-marked for going into certain cars over others, especially due to making a small amount more power. That may only be true in a smaller production batch of say E92/3 335 IS cars where perhaps the N54s are specific for those production runs.

Although I agree with your basic sentiments in this post and the prior one, and also agree that this car will use identical engines as found in the 3, 4, and other BMW models, the fact is that they do give certain models engines with more output than others. The two most notable current ones are the 640i and 740i vs. the other N55i 35i models. You cover a similar scenario with your point about the IS models, but in fact sometimes those engines are used for a whole model line.

The end result is that BMW absolutely does have the capability to use a higher output engine for the 4GC is they had chosen to.

[SamS]

Originally Posted by Jamesons Viggen

Let's not be delusional and buy into BS.

In what world do two cars with identical drivetrains, the one with the only change being adding weight-somehow is faster to 60mph. Come on, you know better than that.

Well of course I should have included a wink with that.

My guess as to why BMW spec'd it .1 faster than an F30 is due to aerodynamics.

If I really though 0-60 was important, I would have kept my M3 and and never bought my AH3.

[Jamesons Viggen]

Originally Posted by mkoesel

Although I agree with your basic sentiments in this post and the prior one, and also agree that this car will use identical engines as found in the 3, 4, and other BMW models, the fact is that they do give certain models engines with more output than others. The two most notable current ones are the 640i and 740i vs. the other N55i 35i models. You cover a similar scenario with your point about the IS models, but in fact sometimes those engines are used for a whole model line.

The end result is that BMW absolutely does have the capability to use a higher output engine for the 4GC is they had chosen to.

The instances you reference, any factual power difference is software based. DMEs on these engines are ON the engine, I am trying to picture if they would be sitting there with DMEs already in place. If so, as you said, those higher output models would have specific engines even if the engines themselves are unchanged. But again, the N54 IS scenario I referenced kind of encompasses the same example.

Originally Posted by SamS

Well of course I should have included a wink with that.

My guess as to why BMW spec'd it .1 faster than an F30 is due to aerodynamics.

If I really though 0-60 was important, I would have kept my M3 and and never bought my AH3.

Aerodynamics(very easy to look up between the 4 and 3) have much less affect for speeds as low as 0-60 then comparing higher speeds. It is one thing if one car was a brick and the other not, then of course it could affect 0-60. But you will find aerodynamics and also important-frontal area are nearly a toss up between the two iterations.

[mattu]

Originally Posted by bclemans

Looks nicer than the 3 series +1
Cost more -1
Heavier -1
Same power output (no M435 GC) -1

Where are people seeing that it weighs more than the F30? I see it weighs 132lbs more than the 435i coupe, but it seems like the F36 435i Unladen (3494lbs according to the OP's spec) is the same as the F30 335i?

[Jamesons Viggen]

Originally Posted by mattu

Where are people seeing that it weighs more than the F30? I see it weighs 132lbs more than the 435i coupe, but it seems like the F36 435i Unladen (3494lbs according to the OP's spec) is the same as the F30 335i?

Well, it weights about 132lbs more than the coupe and the coupe is nearly the same, though about 50lbs or so more than the F30 sedan.

[RichReg]

Originally Posted by Cloudplay

sadly, this is pretty much what I expect.

Sadly yes, but there is some hope.
Called the Car club today and they said they don't know for sure about the 4GC. However....

Even though BMWCCA dragged their feet on updating the program, no one who took delivery of a 4 Series Coupe was denied a rebate. And the 6 Series GC was available for the BMWCCA rebate from the getco.

OTOH, as we know the 4 convertible is ineligible while the 3 Series convertible used to be eligible back in the day.
Until BMWUSA decides in one of their corporate meetings, we'll remain in the dark.