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11-28-2014, 06:17 PM | #67 | |
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PFC please.
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Brembo is out because of the monoblock caliper. And the ridiculous cost of consumables.
If money were no object, I'd get PFC or AP Racing.
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11-29-2014, 01:56 PM | #70 |
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At least we can take away that the ST Sport pad is a pretty good everyday and semi track pad. I would hope all the kids were designed with the OE master cylinder in mind.
Ideally, they kits would all run the same pad on the same time, but then people would say that kit X or Y was not designed to run with the chosen pad. This is just one piece of information when deciding what kit to buy. It's probably the best comparo so far between the major BBK's out there. Maybe i missed it, but can anyone comment on if they used the rear BBK too? .
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Let me get this straight... You are swapping out parts designed by some of the top engineers in the world because some guys sponsored by a company told you it's "better??" But when you ask the same guy about tracking, "oh no, I have a kid now" or "I just detailed my car." or "i just got new tires."
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11-29-2014, 07:11 PM | #71 |
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I would like to know that too. In my mind...that would make a significant difference.
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Also, let me restate something I mentioned before a bit more clearly:
The brembo kit they tested is for all practical purposes equivalent to the E46 380 kit with the thinner rotor and the M caliper. The reason probably is that this kit is the only TUV approved kit and does not require the "Einzelabnahme" from TUV like PFC and AP (the only kits that they mention need this). You can also figure this out from the pictures of the rotors that don't have the McLaren fasteners. Brembos still suck though. Just mentioning this detail for whomever thinks it is interesting. |
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Just tears from brembo owners
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I've got the ST60 kit on the front. Regret not getting the ST40 so that I can run much cheaper 17" wheels/tires AND use cheaper pads and rotor discs.
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11-30-2014, 08:11 PM | #81 | |
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Anyone else think ST-40s are sufficient in the front?
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At some point you need to get more air to the brake system or you are just shifting the heat soak from the brakes to the tires. Does no good to have extra heat capacity in the brakes if the tires grease up anyway. If it's enough brake for a viper which acieves anout 20mph higher terminal speeds, its enough for an m3
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A couple of thoughts from an insider viewpoint:
Overall, I wouldn't go so far as to completely throw this evaluation under the bus, but I don't know how much valuable data actually lies within it. As far as I can tell we're looking at street big brake kits being tested for stopping distances under moderate usage conditions that don't even exceed the stock brake system's capacity. In such a case, feel and aesthetics will be the primary differences between kits, which are both subjective. |
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Everyone here becomes hyper critical when they see results that they do not agree with simply put. I can change the pads in my stock brakes and make them great, but that wouldn't evaluate an "as bought" kit then would it? They did the right thing, and while we can improve upon individual components the data collected isn't bad.
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Thank you jritt@essex for your well-written post.
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I do. ST-40 with race pads (RS29s for me) up front and a race or even hybrid (stoptech sp) rear pad on the stock caliper is more than most will need. Been a great setup for me. Start with this setup and upgrade the rear if you find insufficient.
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