2015 Stang or 135i

[Vigilante375]

Originally Posted by 135droptop

But it's logical to compare a 300 hp 1er to a 412 hp stang. Give me a brake, get real!

OK, compare a M3 to a Mustang then. Oh wait, the BMW still loses. Not by much but the way lower priced Mustang can still hang with a "true performance" oriented BMW.

Even a V6 Mustang will give the 1er a run for its money. Spend some money, since everyone likes throwing that in there, and it'll take the corners better.

[BMWX1-35i]

Then go buy a Mustang sell your BMW and leave the forum if you like the mustang so much. Opinions are like assholes everybody has one.

[edisapimp]

There seem to be a lot of narrow views being taken here. You can say nice things about both cars, and we all should be able to live with the concept that different people can covet different things at different times for different reasons.

Personally, as far Mustang ownership goes, if I were still 21 years-old, sure I'd go for it. It's definitely a looker, and parts won't be hard to come by.

But I giggle at everyone referring to the brilliance of IRS... Jesus Christ welcome to 1961, Mustang.

[mr.fabulous]

There's this very cool chick who sings and plays guitar in a bar I frequent. Early 30s, totally digs American muscle cars. And she's a Mustang gal. Just traded her yellow one for a new black one (sorry, I don't know models or options, I like Bee Emm Double-Ewes). Thing about AJ's Mustang I notice first is it's HUGE. This is a big-ass car, totally dwarfs my little E82. I can't imagine somebody considering one or the other, Ford would seem (to me, at least) to be targeting a different audience (Camaro/Challenger/Charger crowd)? Big damn motor, though, I bet it goes like hell. Poor man's F13 perhaps?

[BMWX1-35i]

Originally Posted by edisapimp

There seem to be a lot of narrow views being taken here. You can say nice things about both cars, and we all should be able to live with the concept that different people can covet different things at different times for different reasons.

Personally, as far Mustang ownership goes, if I were still 21 years-old, sure I'd go for it. It's definitely a looker, and parts won't be hard to come by.

But I giggle at everyone referring to the brilliance of IRS... Jesus Christ welcome to 1961, Mustang.

Well said.

[Vigilante375]

Originally Posted by 135droptop

Then go buy a Mustang sell your BMW and leave the forum if you like the mustang so much. Opinions are like assholes everybody has one.

I was looking at a 5.0 back in 2011 but couldn't a deal on it so I went for the 135i. Good deal, good performance and trying something different. Love the car but don't get butt hurt when there is something better that is cheaper. It will always happen.

American cars get bad raps because they are trying to make it affordable to everyone. What about German cars? How many of those "highly engineered" cars have problems worse than a American one? All this technology put into the car is great and all but it seems they have worse issues about keeping them reliable and cheap to repair compared to the American vehicles, no?

Don't try to contradict what is being discussed here. This was about a Mustang vs 1 series, not a 2/3/4/5/6/7/M/X series. The new Mustang stepped up its game and is doing well now. The Cobra 99-04 was the first to have IRS but now its mainstreamed to all 2015+ 'Stangs.

[mr.fabulous]

Originally Posted by Vigilante375

I was looking at a 5.0 back in 2011 but couldn't a deal on it so I went for the 135i. Good deal, good performance and trying something different. Love the car but don't get butt hurt when there is something better that is cheaper. It will always happen.

American cars get bad raps because they are trying to make it affordable to everyone. What about German cars? How many of those "highly engineered" cars have problems worse than a American one? All this technology put into the car is great and all but it seems they have worse issues about keeping them reliable and cheap to repair compared to the American vehicles, no?

Don't try to contradict what is being discussed here. This was about a Mustang vs 1 series, not a 2/3/4/5/6/7/M/X series. The new Mustang stepped up its game and is doing well now. The Cobra 99-04 was the first to have IRS but now its mainstreamed to all 2015+ 'Stangs.

I was going to look outside my comfort zone when I decided it was time to end my friendship with my E36 (who I miss terribly). But I didn't want to leave the BMW community, and so the E82 was my only real option (CPO). I love this little car, it's a riot.

Can I put a battery in a Mustang without requiring $500 and an afternoon at my dealer? That would be nice...

[BMWX1-35i]

Here's my beef. I love my 135 and the thing that really pisses me off is that people come on the forum discussing BMWs but to come out here and talk about mustangs and trash BMW's. that's not what this form is about. If you love Mustangs and you want to tradh BMW going to Mustang form and do it don't do it here. I've had mustangs I've had two of them matter-of-fact and I love those cars too. It's a great car it's focused for younger people not for older people and comparing a muscle car to a sports car is not something that's a good comparison. There are things that BMW does much better than Mustang and vice a versa so it's a topic thats going nowhere.

[Stvee]

This BMW fanboy shit is ridiculous. The 2011 mustang (BEFORE they added IRS) could keep up with the same year BMW M3 around leguna seca. Motor trend tested both on the same day with the same professional driver. The mustang is .09 seconds slower than the M3 around the track with a professional driver. With the magazine driver, the mustang was actually faster because it has a better torque curve and is easier to drive.

If you just want performance for your money, the mustang is the way to go. Anyone who thinks a BMW is going to be a better value for performance is just a fanboy. You can pay 30k more for the M3 and be maybe slightly faster.

http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/...n/viewall.html

[Vigilante375]

No trashing the 1. Just saying how its performance (acceleration, braking and handling) doesn't compare to the NEW '15 Mustang, per what this thread is about, the new '15 Mustang. You compared your older, slower, crappy gen Mustang to the 1er. You wanted to say that the BMW performs better in all categories than the Mustang, ok the older S197 platform was a hunk of junk. Not to the '15 Mustang (V6, Ecoboost or 5.0).

There is no bashing, just facts. Over on the GTO forum I still visit we talk about all cars and don't care if its better or faster than the GTO. We're a community and BS about everything. I've said it once and I'll say it again, I love my 135i, its a great fun little car. I recognize the better performing, cheaper cars out there and it just irritates me when people don't want to see that so I kinda have to give them the facts.

The 1er can be made fast "cheap", but the Mustang can be made to go even faster for about the same price we would pay to max out our cars.

[mr.fabulous]

What the hell is Ecoboost anyway? Seriously... what is that? Does it make the car go as fast as the phoney M trim on my 135i?

[Stvee]

Originally Posted by mr.fabulous

What the hell is Ecoboost anyway? Seriously... what is that? Does it make the car go as fast as the phoney M trim on my 135i?

It's just what they call their boosted line of direct injection motors.

[Vigilante375]

Just a turbo 4 banger and it seems they do perform. Slick/Skinnies, proper tune and slight weight reduction (rear passenger seat and catback) = 11.8 @ 115.

In stock trim, low 14s. But I'd rather have the V6 or V8. Ecoboost is just suppose to be like the engines BMW use. Max torque at starting at in the low rpm range plus power of a V8 (so they say) and better fuel economy.

[ShocknAwe]

There's always a faster car.

[mr.fabulous]

Originally Posted by Vigilante375

Just a turbo 4 banger and it seems they do perform. Slick/Skinnies, proper tune and slight weight reduction (rear passenger seat and catback) = 11.8 @ 115.

In stock trim, low 14s. But I'd rather have the V6 or V8. Ecoboost is just suppose to be like the engines BMW use. Max torque at starting at in the low rpm range plus power of a V8 (so they say) and better fuel economy.

I hate the name, seems very lame (my Mini Van has ECOBOOST!). Different market, I suppose...

[BMWX1-35i]

Originally Posted by Vigilante375

No trashing the 1. Just saying how its performance (acceleration, braking and handling) doesn't compare to the NEW '15 Mustang, per what this thread is about, the new '15 Mustang. You compared your older, slower, crappy gen Mustang to the 1er. You wanted to say that the BMW performs better in all categories than the Mustang, ok the older S197 platform was a hunk of junk. Not to the '15 Mustang (V6, Ecoboost or 5.0).

There is no bashing, just facts. Over on the GTO forum I still visit we talk about all cars and don't care if its better or faster than the GTO. We're a community and BS about everything. I've said it once and I'll say it again, I love my 135i, its a great fun little car. I recognize the better performing, cheaper cars out there and it just irritates me when people don't want to see that so I kinda have to give them the facts.

The 1er can be made fast "cheap", but the Mustang can be made to go even faster for about the same price we would pay to max out our cars.

I take offense to you calling my 08 mustang as a crappy car. Just shows what you don't know. I had $25k invested I that car which did the 1/4 mile in 11.8 on pump gas. It also handled like it was on rails with all the suspension upgrades I did. I grew out of it and wanted something more refined and an auto. I never put down someone's personal car and you should think about what you're going to say befor you say it. Especially when you don't know the details about the car.

[Stvee]

The pre-2011 mustang gts were pretty crappy cars. You can sink a ton of money into one to make it better, but it doesn't change the fact that the old ones sucked in stock form.

2011 and up are a different story. Ford really got their shit together.

[BMWX1-35i]

Originally Posted by Stvee

The pre-2011 mustang gts were pretty crappy cars. You can sink a ton of money into one to make it better, but it doesn't change the fact that the old ones sucked in stock form.

2011 and up are a different story. Ford really got their shit together.

I disagree. The s197 platform had its issues and mostly with the transmission. Many did not like the solid axle but I had no issues with it. Yes I fid sink tons if money into it and it DID perform. The 1/4 mile time like I said was 11.8 @ 118 mph. There was still more I. It with some tweeking.

The bmw I have is not much deferent in spending money on it. Had it for only 6 months and I have spent over $5k on it already.

[Vigilante375]

I could sink $25k in my 06 GTO being in the mid to low 10s. The term "handles like its on rails"......not even going to go there with that ricer saying. I'm not going after your personal car but 05-10 Mustangs in general.

Those 3v 4.6l are junk. I know Mustangs and 05-10 were junk. Give me a Termi, Mach 1, 2011/2012 5.0 or 2011/2012 GT500 or an old Fox body to mess around with.

But 118 trap? Doesn't sound like a 600 rwhp car to me.

[BMWX1-35i]

Originally Posted by Vigilante375

I could sink $25k in my 06 GTO being in the mid to low 10s. The term "handles like its on rails"......not even going to go there with that ricer saying. I'm not going after your personal car but 05-10 Mustangs in general.

Those 3v 4.6l are junk. I know Mustangs and 05-10 were junk. Give me a Termi, Mach 1, 2011/2012 5.0 or 2011/2012 GT500 or an old Fox body to mess around with.

But 118 trap? Doesn't sound like a 600 rwhp car to me.

First I don't have to explain myself to you. That was the first time On a track in 40 years. To do 11.8 at 118 mph (with a MT no less) is something to talk about. Like I said, opinions are like assholes everybody has one, and in some cases they are assholes.

[cammula]

Originally Posted by 135droptop

First I don't have to explain myself to you. That was the first time On a track in 40 years. To do 11.8 at 118 mph (with a MT no less) is something to talk about. Like I said, opinions are like assholes everybody has one, and in some cases they are assholes.

you're seriously out for blood today....

[Vigilante375]

Obviously someone is having their emotions thrown into this. Simple discussion turns sour, yet again.