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01-15-2014, 09:59 AM | #67 |
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Haha, yeah.
I, for one, does not car if the new car is faster or slower than the outgoing M3. And some of you are not even satisfied with the 10 seconds. WTF people.
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01-15-2014, 10:03 AM | #69 | |
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I think there are a lot of improvements between the e92 and the f8x. I believe that the lighter weight is a huge factor. I also think the interior is far nicer than the e9x, and I love the fact that the m3 now has some real sport oriented bucket seats that wont suck on the track like mine do. I think the interior is more different from the regular 3 series than it has ever been. The motor is also more to my liking. It is better suited to this type and size of car. To me, the s65 was a great motor trapped in a fat mans body. It struggled to generate the power unless you were really on it. It should have been in something like a 911 that was closer to 3200lbs or less. I definitely appreciate the z06, and although base form to base form it is significantly more than the m3 (15kish), it is a phenomenal performance mahchine. However, I could never own it as an only car. That is what the m3 is, the perfect compromise car. It is awesome because it can DD with the best of them, and still hit the track and tear up the street at a very high level. I didn't like the lack of torque, weak brakes, basic interior and weight of the e9x. All of those things are alleviated on this model for me. Sure, if I had a weekend car id take the z06 all day. But I would never consider an m3 anyway for that type of car. Things like a used gt3, r8, z06, etc... are all more compelling options as a second car. Much more focused and sports car oriented. I personally wouldn't compare a vette to an m3 because I only own one car and like it that way.
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01-15-2014, 10:07 AM | #72 | |
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I only quoted you to say I am EXTREMELY jealous of your cars. A 2014 m6 and supercharged z4m. DAMN SON
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01-15-2014, 10:16 AM | #73 | |
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Ha Thanks!. Yeah with just intake and Dp's my M6 is light years faster despite its 1000 lb weight disadvantage. 11.4 @ 128.5 1/4 mile without launch control and 7.95 60-130 by Vbox. But the Z4M is king on a road course A perfect combo ! |
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01-15-2014, 10:21 AM | #74 | ||
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I didn't buy a E92 M3 for the exact reasons. Almost no torque and outdated interior. The E92 M3 wasn't THAT good IMO.
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01-15-2014, 10:24 AM | #76 | |
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Point is, while some people say that 10 seconds is not much, or an optioned e9x can keep up, but I don't think it will feel that way when you are driving home from the office. The "only 10 sec difference" is coming on a track where the e9x will be in its power band the whole time. Just like many of the other FI cars out now, the f8x might be more enjoyable within legal (or slightly illegal) limits of the street. I think the biggest news from this article is the steering feel...very interested to see how that EPS actually feels to me. Up to this point I have never felt EPS that feels the same (or better). I know the benefits to EPS and I think it will get there. It will be pretty cool if this is when it "gets there" |
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01-15-2014, 10:29 AM | #77 |
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Yeah when Michelin released the pilot super sport a few years back the e92m was one of the cars they tested with and picked up 2 seconds around whatever course they were testing at when compared to the PS2.
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01-15-2014, 10:30 AM | #78 |
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M235i is the gateway drug. I agree, I just got my 435i with M performance pack (in Canada M Performance Pack 1 & 2) so it has everything the M235i has but in a 4er.
I have the itch to get an M4 and will probably do so after I have had mine for 2 years, who knows maybe 1. The gateway drug works! |
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01-15-2014, 10:34 AM | #79 | |
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For a 15lb saving and a $8500 CAD cost, the CCB will not be a valid option for me. The standard brakes on the F8X, an upgrade (4 piston front and 2 piston rear) compared to the E9X, should be plenty sufficient for track use without need for a BBK. |
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01-15-2014, 10:40 AM | #80 |
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10s really isn't that much at the ring. Against the E9X it's about 2% faster. You can probably achieve that by wider, grippier tires alone. I.e say that 50% of the track is corners and you can keep a 5% higher corner speed due to the tires, done.
I couldn't care less though since the E9X is already plenty fast for my use but what I do care about is steering feel and I'm exstatic to hear what they say about it. It is my number one concern, always has been with the new car and their confidence is heartening ( they actually state it is better than the new GT3, "best money can by"). I'm looking forward to this car. |
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01-15-2014, 10:46 AM | #82 |
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interesting car.
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01-15-2014, 10:46 AM | #83 |
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Could be possible to change via coding perhaps, just like so many other features.
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01-15-2014, 10:47 AM | #84 |
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I have to agree, never understood that torque comment around the M3. Mine is a daily driver in Chicago and it has served me well for 4 years so far. I also have another bigger M with the twin turbo V8 and while there is a huge difference in the engine characteristics, it does not make me feel that the M3 is underpowered. I also chose a single hump M3 with no options and the interior in definitely outdated, I would've enjoyed HUD...
We had choices in the past, now everything is turbo with BMW which is my main gripe.....at least they are upgrading the interiors nicely. |
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01-15-2014, 10:54 AM | #87 | |
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2. Why does this matter? 3. Nobody buys a first model year M4. You lease it. This is going to be a 64K car, nicely speced from base and with navigation, and you'll be able to lease one for 700/mo in a few years. Nothing comes close in that price range -- nothing -- and for so cheap it really doesn't have to be light years ahead of its predecessor to be a winner.
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