[gIzzE]

Originally Posted by Jase 320d

Smoking crack i think

Look at it, if it is a bit like hard earwax then it is probably crack, if it looks like something else you have probably been ripped off.

Enjoy the rest of you day and don't over do it, it is not great for you lungs.

[parapaul]

Originally Posted by Jase 320d

Not a legal requirement in the UK

Originally Posted by MrPogle

True but Parapaul said "In other countries".

I certainly did

Originally Posted by parapaul

Winter tyres are a legal requirement in other countries

[Josh1a1h]

If it snows... i just take the helicopter.

Everyone should get one

[mob17]

Originally Posted by Josh1a1h

If it snows... i just take the helicopter.

Everyone should get one

Or some artic wolves, they are cheaper and have tons more "cool" factor.

[gaza01]

Helicopter...pah. I got hover craft gizmo fitted to the bimmer!!!

[Jase 320d]

Originally Posted by Josh1a1h

If it snows... i just take the helicopter.

Everyone should get one

Make sure it has winter blades on it so it can cut through falling snow

If you don't then you WILL crash and kill countless amounts of people

[Hotcoupe]

Originally Posted by gIzzE

Quite simple, same as many other countries, if you are in an accident during winter conditions wearing summer tires you will be fined and if you are found to be the cause the fine is doubled.

They do throw the book at you if you cause a hold up because you are not on suitable tyres, and the consequences for causes an accident can be pretty harsh for not wearing the correct tyres.


German law, somewhere in the middle compared with say France and Finland......

http://www.baumholder.army.mil/sites...owTiresLaw.pdf

You can't prosecute someone for committing an offence that doesn't actually exist, so comparing what happens in German law to a fictitious scenario in the UK is a tad pointless.

Or are you proposing a change in the law despite your own reservations as stated earlier?

[a11y]

If it snows then I'll just take my hot air balloon - there certainly seems to be enough hot air getting spouted in here to keep it afloat



* Nah, I'll stick with my e90 with winter tyres, this'll be my 4th winter of RWD with winter tyres and I'm very much in the 'makes sense' camp.

Makes sense to me for the following reasons:

a) safety: brake and grip much better in COLD conditions (not just snow)

b) financial: an extra set of tyres makes no odds as the car needs tyres of some sort, so they might as well be the 'best' for the conditions

c) save the summers: why waste good summer rubber when you can't enjoy the car to it's full potential?

d) RWD+winters > 4WD/summers > FWD/summers: winter tyres make RWD a better option than FWD or 4WD on summer rubber. I'm well and truely a RWD fan and don't want to resort back to FWD if I can help it.

e) Scotland/living at altitude: proper winter season unlike some of you southern poofters

f) 'cos I can

[Hotcoupe]

Originally Posted by Jase 320d

Make sure it has winter blades on it so it can cut through falling snow

If you don't then you WILL crash and kill countless amounts of people

You forgot the kittens, don't forget the kittens.

[gIzzE]

Originally Posted by Hotcoupe

You can't prosecute someone for committing an offence that doesn't actually exist, so comparing what happens in German law to a fictitious scenario in the UK is a tad pointless.

Or are you proposing a change in the law despite your own reservations as stated earlier?

What you babbling on about now??


All I have said is, imho......

Anyone who causes congestion or even worse and accident because they are driving in snow on summer tyres should be fined.
This would get people thinking about how safe their car is, and may stop people thinking 'I will be OK, I will just take it easy.' who then go on and cause the country to grind to a halt or slide into others.


There is no law here, but I think there should be.

[Hotcoupe]

Originally Posted by a11y

e) Scotland/living at altitude: proper winter season unlike some of you southern poofters

You've overdosed on the vitamin D tablets, try a sun lamp, it should help you regain some intelligence

[gIzzE]

Originally Posted by Jase 320d

Make sure it has winter blades on it so it can cut through falling snow

If you don't then you WILL crash and kill countless amounts of people

You shouldn't be making jokes about air disasters coming from your neck of the woods. Very poor taste.

[Jase 320d]

Originally Posted by gIzzE

You shouldn't be making jokes about air disasters coming from your neck of the woods. Very poor taste.

I wasn't making fun of air disasters

Seems you have swallowed a serious pill

[Hotcoupe]

Originally Posted by gIzzE

What you babbling on about now??

It's like communicating with a 5 yr old!

Make yer friggin mind up chap

Originally Posted by Jase 320d

Not a legal requirement in the UK

Originally Posted by gIzzE

I don't think it should be either,

Originally Posted by gIzzE

There is no law here, but I think there should be.

If you're not on the crack, perhaps you should be

[gIzzE]

Originally Posted by Hotcoupe

It's like communicating with a 5 yr old!

Make yer friggin mind up chap.


If you're not on the crack, perhaps you should be

I will spell it out for you, try and keep up.


I don't think it should be made law for winter tyres in the UK.

However, I do believe that if you drive on snow with summer tyres you should be fined if you cause a delay or worse still an accident.

In Europe many parts insist on winter tyres from around December through to March, by law.
I think this is overkill for the UK, it doesn't however mean that people should not be responsible for their actions when taking a car out in snow, they should have to take all necessary precautions to keep the roads clear and be safe.

There is a big difference between the two.

In many other European countries this is how it works, and because of this many choose to put winters on. They do not want to be made to look irresponsible, it is frowned upon, in the same was drink driving is now frowned upon, which took years to happen over here, and still isn't by many.

[Hotcoupe]

Originally Posted by gIzzE

I will spell it out for you, try and keep up.


I don't think it should be made law for winter tyres in the UK.

However, I do believe that if you drive on snow with summer tyres you should be fined if you cause a delay or worse still an accident.

I'll explain the legalities for you, please pay attention

You can't fine someone if there is not a law that enables the fine to be imposed.

The UK does not have a 'Gizze's' law as yet, but please feel to start lobbying for one.

Is it the red or white that's causing the problem?

[gIzzE]

Originally Posted by Hotcoupe

I'll explain the legalities for you, please pay attention

You can't fine someone if there is not a law that enables the fine to be imposed.

The UK does not have a 'Gizze's' law as yet, but please feel to start lobbying for one.

Is it the red or white that's causing the problem?

I give up.

I said at the start, 'I think we should...' not 'this is the law...'


We can express opinions, it is a forum, and that is what we do.

[mob17]

Just go all in:

[Kerr]

Think we could do with some snow in here to cool it down.

[Hotcoupe]

Originally Posted by Kerr

Think we could do with some snow in here to cool it down.

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[MrPogle]

Originally Posted by gIzzE

I give up.

I said at the start, 'I think we should...' not 'this is the law...'

I think gIzzE is suggesting something like the zebra crossing situation. There is no law that means you have to stop to let someone cross but if you hit them it's book-throwing time.

So, you don't have to fit winter tyres but if you have an accident it could be deemed negligence on your part.

Hope this helps. Every year this thread gets out of hand due to dogma, fanatacism, ignorance, lack of facts and a steadfast refusal to obtain any. This is obviously excellent and it would be a shame if it got out of hand due to a misunderstanding.

[Kerr]

Originally Posted by Hotcoupe

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Snow and kittens, that will mellow everyone out.

I quite like that cat one.