[Efthreeoh]

Originally Posted by Equilibrandt

I've never set foot in this thread before today, but it's incredibly hilarious to me that y'all sit here, day-in, day-out, screaming bolded taglines and EV memes at one another, like my parents and grandparents on Facebook.

Echo chamber, much? Don't you have some kids on your lawn to harass?

Regardless of what side someone falls on the EV spectrum, they'd both eternally cringe at the likes of most of you. For a bunch of boomers who eternally berate kids for being "terminally online", y'all never cease to amaze me with the scale of your internet data usage.

Boomers

[SteVTEC]

KIA EV9 less energy efficient than Grand Highlander Hybrid

I saw a new KIA EV9 on the road last Friday. Looked cool. First one I've seen, but I ran the numbers and wasn't impressed. It's actually less energy efficient than a Grand Highlander Hybrid, and is only slightly more energy efficient than their own Telluride.

I did all of these calculations myself. You have to use real-world MPGe or range numbers, because claimed EV ranges especially on the highway are complete lies, on top of MPGe itself also being a lie. The Highlander Hybrid's 40% thermal efficiency (peak) is factored into its own MPG numbers, but the 40% overall efficiency of the power grid is not factored into MPGe for EV's? It's such BS, but that's on purpose and they hope you don't notice. C&D's real-world 75 mph highway range and MPGe numbers, which includes charging inefficiency and total energy put back into the battery, and not just energy consumed while driving, has been quite useful.

Anyways, good luck with an EV9. I mean if you're just shuttling larger numbers of people/gear/dogs or whatever locally and never really leave town I guess it could work, but why pay more for less capability? The reality is on a highway trip somewhere, you're not even making it to 240. Try more like 200-220 fully loaded with AC or heat running, and not really making it more than 2 hours without needing to find your next charging stop ASAP, where you'll only be able to charge back up to 80% quickly, and then get another 2 hours of range at best? We've legit gone 6 hours in my Suburban and emptied three-quarters of the tank before stopping for bathroom breaks and dog walks. Fill the 31.5 gallon tank in a few minutes and go another 600+ miles. I don't see how you'd ever get anywhere in an EV9. It would drive my entire family insane.

Creating a factor for weight is helpful and illustrating. As you can see on the far right, the EV9's powertrain is indeed more efficient at moving masses of vehicle around, but not more efficient enough to compensate for being 1400 lbs heavier than the Grand Highlanders. It ends up consuming more energy because of its weight, which is a similar story for many EV's vs. gas or hybrids, which is why they needed to create new ways to lie with the MPGe BS. So the battery weights are a huge issue. For reference, 20 gallons of gas weighs about 120 pounds, and will get you twice as far as a 1400 lb battery.

Interestingly, a fully loaded Suburban utilizing all of its space is consuming more energy, yes, but consumes less energy per unit of vehicle mass than either the Grand Highlander or the Telluride.

Pro tip. Take any MPGe figure and divide by 2.5 (or multiple by 0.4) to get the gas/hybrid MPG equivalent figure. I call this the "grid factor" for power grid efficiency, which must be factored in also to have a level playing field.

[murderspice]

Originally Posted by Efthreeoh

I took my reply down, because I didn't want to get in another alternate-logic discussion. But this plays to my point. Horses are much more difficult to maintain than cars (even early 19th century cars). They have a very complex diet and can easily die from improper nutrition.

For someone to say oats don't catch fire just shows more ignorance. And hay, if stored with too much moisture content, can self-ignite just like a lithium battery , though hay is easier to extinguish with water and takes less to do so.

But I digress.

How are they more difficult? We have been riding, caring for, and living with horses for 5000 years. Horses are respected as individuals and often are honored for heroic deeds such as in war or policing. I already have stables near (or in) my home and grew up riding horses on a farm. The extent of my exposure to machinery is likely a tractor or factory where my dad works. It seems dumb to think I would use something that only works on paved roads, especially since I dont live in a major city. Besides, what if theres not a “gas station” within 20 miles?

[Weather Man]

Originally Posted by Equilibrandt

I've never set foot in this thread before today, but it's incredibly hilarious to me that y'all sit here, day-in, day-out, screaming bolded taglines and EV memes at one another, like my parents and grandparents on Facebook.

Echo chamber, much? Don't you have some kids on your lawn to harass?

Regardless of what side someone falls on the EV spectrum, they'd both eternally cringe at the likes of most of you. For a bunch of boomers who eternally berate kids for being "terminally online", y'all never cease to amaze me with the scale of your internet data usage.

You're the same guy in here moaning when CA says you can't drive on weekends because the state is exceeding its pollution mandates.

[crAbb]

Originally Posted by Weather Man

You're the same guy in here moaning when CA says you can't drive on weekends because the state is exceeding its pollution mandates.

[murderspice]

Originally Posted by Weather Man

You're the same guy in here moaning when CA says you can't drive on weekends because the state is exceeding its pollution mandates.

Most people can hold 2 thoughts in their head at the same time.

[eugenebmw]

Originally Posted by Car-Addicted

Someone obviously has never worked on a farm.

Not too many things more flammable than grain dust.

Just like any carbohydrate dust

https://recipes.howstuffworks.com/to...uestion150.htm

[murderspice]

Originally Posted by eugenebmw

Just like any carbohydrate dust

https://recipes.howstuffworks.com/to...uestion150.htm

Is it more flammable than gasoline?

[M5Rick]

Originally Posted by Car-Addicted

Yup, happens all the time in Amish country

Upstate New York Woman Killed in Tragic Amish Buggy Crash



A pick-up truck, driven by 31 year-old John Leathly of Chittenango, ran into the back of an Amish buggy on County Route 41 in the town of Richland, Oswego County on Sunday, June 6.

This isn't the first fatal Amish buggy crash in Upstate New York. One man was killed and another was injured in a fatal crash in Gouverneur, New York.

Shocking to see that.

[Weather Man]

Just a little overweight, LOL. This guy was spotted by multiple people towing across several SE states. When fishing is life I guess, you do what it takes. I wonder how many charger locations made him unhook and hook?

[gblansten]

GrandpaBook posts lol.

[Efthreeoh]

Originally Posted by murderspice

Is it more flammable than gasoline?

As long as you don't smoke...

[Efthreeoh]

Originally Posted by M5Rick

Shocking to see that.

No mention of the horse...

[Car-Addicted]

Originally Posted by Weather Man

Just a little overweight, LOL. This guy was spotted by multiple people towing across several SE states.

Maybe the only time packing around 800 lbs of batteries is a good idea.

[Car-Addicted]

More good news
This Is How Easy It Is to Hack EV Chargers | WSJ

EV Charger Hacking Poses a ‘Catastrophic’ Risk
https://www.wired.com/story/electric...station-hacks/

[Weather Man]

Originally Posted by Car-Addicted

More good news
This Is How Easy It Is to Hack EV Chargers | WSJ

EV Charger Hacking Poses a ‘Catastrophic’ Risk
https://www.wired.com/story/electric...station-hacks/

If a hacker gets physical access to hardware, you can't keep them out.

[gblansten]

It is good to maximize my FEARS list. I look forward to fearing EV charger hacking. I don't want to miss out on fearing something.

[Car-Addicted]

Originally Posted by gblansten

It is good to maximize my FEARS list. I look forward to fearing EV charger hacking. I don't want to miss out on fearing something.

You regularly sit on 800 lbs of LiPo batteries so you are one of the bravest people I know.

[Car-Addicted]

GM is moving out of its Detroit headquarters towers
Apr 15th 2024
General Motors plans to relocate its global headquarters to the new Hudson’s Detroit complex in 2025, abandoning its iconic Renaissance Center location.



GM's occupancy of the RenCen towers has shrunk over the years, meaning it now occupies just 1½ of the towers in the seven-building complex.
https://www.autoblog.com/2024/04/15/...arters-towers/

Translation-GM is cost cutting. Mary Barra continues to kill GM.
Investing $1,000 in General Motors: Shares of General Motors opened for trading at $39.63 on the day Barra took over as the CEO of the company. Accounting for dividends paid over the years, the shares traded at an adjusted price of $30.15.

They should just admit it and move to China and Mexico.

[Weather Man]

Originally Posted by gblansten

It is good to maximize my FEARS list. I look forward to fearing EV charger hacking. I don't want to miss out on fearing something.

Everyone's cocky until their shit gets shut down, then it's not so funny.

[eugenebmw]

Originally Posted by Weather Man

Just a little overweight, LOL. This guy was spotted by multiple people towing across several SE states. When fishing is life I guess, you do what it takes. I wonder how many charger locations made him unhook and hook?

At least his/her boat is not electric boat

[eugenebmw]

Originally Posted by murderspice

Is it more flammable than gasoline?

If you have watched the Equalizer 2, you will know.

https://staub-ex.blogspot.com/2019/0...-have-you.html