[Cortexiphan]

Originally Posted by M2siast

I kinda did it on purpose…
Merry Christmas!

Your online heroes are telling you ‘Merry Christmas’ is offensive for some.
In real life, NOBODY is offended by that. And did you know ‘Holiday’ comes from ‘Holy Day’? Never mind. I live in one of the most educated and progressive towns. (Harvard and MIT are here) and everybody is saying ‘Merry Christmas’ to each other. And no, trans people aren’t attacking kids. And no, we’re not littered by crime. And no, gasoline engine cars aren’t cleaner than EVs. And no, ‘drill baby drill’ isn’t a great energy policy in 2023. Get out of your bubble.

[M2siast]

Originally Posted by Cortexiphan

Your online heroes are telling you ‘Merry Christmas’ is offensive for some.
In real life, NOBODY is offended by that. And did you know ‘Holiday’ comes from ‘Holy Day’? Never mind. I live in one of the most educated and progressive towns. (Harvard and MIT are here) and everybody is saying ‘Merry Christmas’ to each other. And no, trans people aren’t attacking kids. And no, we’re not littered by crime. And no, gasoline engine cars aren’t cleaner than EVs. And no ‘drill baby drill’ isn’t a great energy policy in 2023. Get out of your bubble.

You proved our point.

Bent out of shape over us wishing people Merry Christmas.

Merry Christmas sir.

[VR1]

Honestly sort of pathetic that there’s 6+ pages of a bunch of 30+ year old guys arguing on the internet about a topic they have a superficial understanding of. Some of you guys need to get some IRL friends or hobbies or SOMETHING lmao.

Makes for some hilarious drama filled reading though

[Th3DarkSide]

Originally Posted by Cortexiphan

Your online heroes are telling you ‘Merry Christmas’ is offensive for some.
In real life, NOBODY is offended by that. And did you know ‘Holiday’ comes from ‘Holy Day’? Never mind. I live in one of the most educated and progressive towns. (Harvard and MIT are here) and everybody is saying ‘Merry Christmas’ to each other. And no, trans people aren’t attacking kids. And no, we’re not littered by crime. And no, gasoline engine cars aren’t cleaner than EVs. And no, ‘drill baby drill’ isn’t a great energy policy in 2023. Get out of your bubble.

So impressive. You live in Boston. Everybody Bow 😂🤦‍♂️

I live in NY. Maybe you should bow to me. After all this is the center of Planet Earth. 😂😂

[TheMidnightNarwhal]

Originally Posted by Th3DarkSide

So impressive. You live in Boston. Everybody Bow ����‍♂️

I live in NY. Maybe you should bow to me. After all this is the center of Planet Earth. ����

Why are you offended that they just mentions facts about the place they lives to support their point? God damn chill man.

[GabesSlowM4]

Why is it that the west has to be the one to cut back on all their emissions when China and India produce way more pollution?
……………just wanted to stir the pot

[beammeupscottie]

Infrastructure here in the US will not be up to par by 2035 to support EV mandates. Wait for it. The wheels of government move too slow. It’ll be reversed or kicked down the road.

[F32Fleet]

Originally Posted by Th3DarkSide

I posted about EV battery production and the detrimental effects it has on the environment. I see you just choose to ignore that part of the argument completely. Typical.

So what? This fake news was buried years ago. People that make this argument are being intellectually lazy. Stop being lazy. There are plenty of real reasons why EV are a challenge.

[Germanauto]

Originally Posted by Cortexiphan

They have to be forced down people’s throats. Because people are idiots, as seen in this thread.
If you don’t ’force down’ seatbelts down their throats, they don’t wear them and just die in a 20 mph crash.

Congrats on your iX, really saving the planet with that 6000 lb boat packed with lithium extracted from the third world countries.

I hope you plan to keep it at least 70k miles, otherwise you're damaging the planet worse than an ICE/hybrid car would.

If you're the avg BMW owner leasing for 2-3 yrs then..lol

[Montaver]

https://youtu.be/-8gNXlRGngA?si=8Lt-Hx-7UA5OTvcl

This is a great video from Autogefuhl which includes interviews which really explain how BMW is thinking about the future of EV’s and sustainability of cars. This includes a lot of the topics being discussed here. Give it a watch and it might change your perspective.

[Scrapula]

Wow, such maturity here. I’m proud of my BS in Biology, Masters in Health Informatics, Doctorate in Pharmacy. Yes, I believe in science. Taking ecology during my undergraduate years actually taught me a lot. My professor particularly hated golf courses. He didn’t believe in using resources to sustain a single species (grass). He taught me to compost and think about how my actions affect the earth. I don’t think driving an EV will save the planet. When I was in my early teens, I thought magnets should power vehicles. Now, here we are, decades later. I drive an EV because this is the technology I envisioned and they are a blast to drive.

[Th3DarkSide]

Originally Posted by TheMidnightNarwhal

Why are you offended that they just mentions facts about the place they lives to support their point? God damn chill man.

Who said I was offended? I was just making fun of the dude. He thinks where he lives is special. Haha. Breaking news. It’s not.

[Dgjo2022X5MC]

[QUOTE=Scrapula;30759861]Wow, such maturity here. I’m proud of my BS in Biology, Masters in Health Informatics, Doctorate in Pharmacy. Yes, I believe in science. Taking ecology during my undergraduate years actually taught me a lot. My professor particularly hated golf courses. He didn’t believe in using resources to sustain a single species (grass). He taught me to compost and think about how my actions affect the earth. I don’t think driving an EV will save the planet. When I was in my early teens, I thought magnets should power vehicles. Now, here we are, decades later. I drive an EV because this is the technology I envisioned and they are a blast to drive.

I can handle EVs and heat pumps for my house and hot water, but draw the line at golf courses! Come on, man! . Merry Xmas all.

[phileaglesbmw]

EVs are not the answer. Cost more initially, cost more to insure and evenentually register. CA is only 10% of US population and even some of those are not pro EVs. There are hardly any in Central PA and there really isn't many chargers available also, even a
Bear the junction of the Turnpike and 2 interstates.

What may work in a small country with only 5 mil people doesn't work in a very big country with 350 million.

[ghaffari46]

Originally Posted by Germanauto

Congrats on your iX, really saving the planet with that 6000 lb boat packed with lithium extracted from the third world countries.

I hope you plan to keep it at least 70k miles, otherwise you're damaging the planet worse than an ICE/hybrid car would.

If you're the avg BMW owner leasing for 2-3 yrs then..lol

Actually I have my tesla 3 for 3 years, with 0 service requirements, it holds 93% of its battery. I assume ix has better built quality, and probably would last much longer than 10 years.

[jmxtrem]

Like its Should ,BMW makes the Most efficiency vehicles

[Stevem40i]

They better not abandon the B58 until I buy a few new ones !

[stavstavcc]

I promise I can start a thread about potatoes vs carrots and eventually people will start fighting about Trump, climate change and if the world is flat or not.

[Cortexiphan]

Originally Posted by Th3DarkSide

So impressive. You live in Boston. Everybody Bow 😂🤦‍♂️

I live in NY. Maybe you should bow to me. After all this is the center of Planet Earth. 😂😂

Why would anyone bow to me or to you because of the place we live?
I guess you're trying to insult, but it isn't working.

[TheMidnightNarwhal]

Originally Posted by beammeupscottie

Infrastructure here in the US will not be up to par by 2035 to support EV mandates. Wait for it. The wheels of government move too slow. It’ll be reversed or kicked down the road.

I used to have this argument before to but IMO when you really think about it I really don't think it's an issue. Look at horses and cars, there was no infrastructure for cars yet did we stay with horses? Of course not. We succeeded and pushed through. What about all the horse purists back then? If this really goes through to EV only then I have no doubt we will adapt. We're good at that, we should give ourselves a bit of credit here.

You also have to remember the2035 thing is NEW cars. We're still going to have plentttty of gas cars so again infrastructure wise I doubt it's an issue. Not everyone is going to get rid of their gas cars on 2034 new year eve to get EVs in 2035.

[M2siast]

Originally Posted by TheMidnightNarwhal

I used to have this argument before to but IMO when you really think about it I really don't think it's an issue. Look at horses and cars, there was no infrastructure for cars yet did we stay with horses? Of course not. We succeeded and pushed through. What about all the horse purists back then? If this really goes through to EV only then I have no doubt we will adapt. We're good at that, we should give ourselves a bit of credit here.

You also have to remember the2035 thing is NEW cars. We're still going to have plentttty of gas cars so again infrastructure wise I doubt it's an issue. Not everyone is going to get rid of their gas cars on 2034 new year eve to get EVs in 2035.

I’m surprised you’re saying “I used this argument before”, and haven’t explored how wrong it is so you stop it.
Hope it was the last time you used it, because it’s a foolish argument.

Comparing ICEV to horses and BEV to cars that replaced horses is bizarre.

A car allowed us to do things horses never did.
We travelled across counties and states on the same day, as opposed to days or weeks with horses. We can travel across countries in days, instead of months or years.
We don’t get wet when it rains. We can carry passengers. We’re comfortable.

What does the BEV offer that the ICEV can’t do? We can tell you what the ICEV can do that the BEV can’t (longer range, less fuelling time, manual transmission/engagement).

No revolution. No comparison. So stop with the horse and car comparison….

[Cos270]

Originally Posted by TheMidnightNarwhal

You do realise the whole WEF conspiracy is bs right?

BS in that it will never be achieved? Most likely. But they’re going to do their best to try. Shrinking demographics along with other factors are going to leave OEMs with significantly smaller profits under their current business models. Higher-priced cars for the rich along with subscription services for the lower middle class customers are their select methods of remaining solvent. Time will tell if it works or not (my bet is no).