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      03-12-2006, 02:38 PM   #1
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Nitrogen in RUNFLATS ???

Keep bars steady for a long time, 6 months. Very good resistance in braking when we have high bar for high speed. LOL
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I'm sorry, was the purpose of this thread meant to convey some form of communicated message?


It doesn't.
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Keep bars steady for a long time, 6 months. Very good resistance in braking when we have high bar for high speed. LOL
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My lungs have a large percentage of Nitrogen in them aswell
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I think what he is trying to say is that he went to these places that charge you huge amounts to fill your tires with pure Nitrogen, and he has found that his tire pressures have remained stable.
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Whether or not you are running pure nitrogen or regular air, there is no benefit for a street car. Nitrogen brings the benefits of:
VERY predictable expansion/contraction/change in pressure with temperature.
No possible moisture inside the tires

This is important on the track where you need to figure out very precisely tire pressures at a given temp; on the street though, +/- .05PSI difference isnt going to matter. It also has no effects on how much air leakage could exist in the tires.
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Uh, sorry, but we nitrogen isn't exactly at your local gas station. Isn't that stuff more flammable (like Hydrogen)? Our e90s are from Germany, but I don't want little Hindenburghs for tires.
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Uh, sorry, but we nitrogen isn't exactly at your local gas station. Isn't that stuff more flammable (like Hydrogen)? Our e90s are from Germany, but I don't want little Hindenburghs for tires.
The air we breath is only about 20% oxygen, the rest is nitrogen. Nitrogen is inert and cannot ignite or burn. Using it in tires is an advantage since the tire pressure doen't go up as much ah the tire temperature rises.

It's rare but some tire shops are offering it for $15-$20 a fill.
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nitrogen is an inert gas. actually comes as N2 (sub-script the 2). No X-plosions. but still kind of silly for everyday stuff. Probably is less likely to leak out of your tires, though... help keep those bars up (pressure... millibars of pressure... get it?)
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Uh, sorry, but we nitrogen isn't exactly at your local gas station. Isn't that stuff more flammable (like Hydrogen)? Our e90s are from Germany, but I don't want little Hindenburghs for tires.
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It's rare but some tire shops are offering it for $15-$20 a fill.


Most tire places have it here, but they charge much much less than that, but its still hundreds of times what that Nitrogen costs them

Your tire shops that charge that much must be making a fortune
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yes the pressure is steady for a long time. Tires of Airplanes are inflated with nitrogen.
Well in the begining i am convinced that the majority doesnt know nothing about nitrogen in tires. The brakes are much more efficient because the pressure in tires is more steady besides i am no more worried about pressure in tires. Im sorry if i put some question that is making some kind of shock wave.
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Most tire places have it here, but they charge much much less than that, but its still hundreds of times what that Nitrogen costs them

Your tire shops that charge that much must be making a fortune
They have to buy Nitrogen extracting units and I guess they are expensive to pay off
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As stated, Nitrogen is inert and harmless (though it does diplace oxygen so I don't recommend piping it into the house). Saying it leaks at a different rate is absurd. That is like saying darker beer will leak more slowly through a crack in your glass than a light beer would.
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Keep bars steady for a long time, 6 months. Very good resistance in braking when we have high bar for high speed. LOL
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Laughing Out Loud!!! What's so funny about that statement???
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They have to buy Nitrogen extracting units and I guess they are expensive to pay off
The ones ive seen here have a tank of liquid nitrogen , which is very cheap and expands many many many times when it goes into a gas
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The ones ive seen here have a tank of liquid nitrogen , which is very cheap and expands many many many times when it goes into a gas
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Uh, sorry, but we nitrogen isn't exactly at your local gas station. Isn't that stuff more flammable (like Hydrogen)? Our e90s are from Germany, but I don't want little Hindenburghs for tires.

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As stated, Nitrogen is inert and harmless (though it does diplace oxygen so I don't recommend piping it into the house). Saying it leaks at a different rate is absurd. That is like saying darker beer will leak more slowly through a crack in your glass than a light beer would.

The thinking is that some of the gas molecules in "normal" air are smaller than Nitrogen molecules and these small molecules tend to find a way through even the rubber ( which is a bit porous at the molecular level )

So they say the Nitrogen molecules cannot escape as easily, thus the pressure would stay more constant when measured over a long time
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lol because we like speed and leaking i have the proof in my car, i dont need to see pressure in tires, its stable and with air i was forced to go to the station once a month. It is kite new is that i asked if anybody had tried and i dont ask any opinion collateral classifying as absurd what they havent experienced. Thats talking loud.
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The thinking is that some of the gas molecules in "normal" air are smaller than Nitrogen molecules and these small molecules tend to find a way through even the rubber ( which is a bit porous at the molecular level )

So they say the Nitrogen molecules cannot escape as easily, thus the pressure would stay more constant when measured over a long time
Sorry guy but that's crap.

Air is molecules of Oxygen and molecules of Nitrogen. Both so small that if one escapes so does the other.

The only constant for pressure here is that when the temperature of air in your tires goes up...like when your drifting, pressure will go up proportionally. Or when for example you go from a warm garage to the cold outdoors...your tire pressure goes down proportionally to the drop in temperature.
with Nitrogen, that effect is reduced both ways by 75%...meaning more constant tire pressure throughout the day...not over time.
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OK try it and then you can see your way. Nevertheless
"Why Nitrogen?

Nitrogen is a dry, inert gas used to inflated airplane tires, off-road truck tires, military vehicle tires, and race car tires for improved performance. Oxygen is compressed air permeates through the tire wall, oxygen oxidizes the rubber compounds in the tire, causing under inflation and deteriorated rubber. Dry nitrogen will prevent auto-ignition, will not corrode rims, and helps the tire to run cooler."
THE FACTS and crap is another issue
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