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[604_e90325i]

I'm in the market of getting a set of CSL reps...

can anyone tell me which company is a better choice?

i saw the pic of VMR new 19x10 rims on the E92 and the concave is like crazy.

but lots of other member saw that the alufelgen is the best quality compare to the OEM one?

if i just look for concavtity... which one is a better choice?

and i've a E90 LCI..

if i go for the VMR one do you guys think this offset is gonna work
19x9.5 +40 in the front
19X10 + 38 in the rear

thanks

[SV Concepts]

Hard to say, as Alufelgen's wheels are not available to the public yet... Which makes me wonder who are the "lots of other members" who say they are the best quality....?

VMR is generally acknowledged as having the best concavity.
THanks
JL

[FotiosF90M5]

The new VMR's will concave more than even the oem one. I think the alufelgens has a MUCH better design and the powdercoated oem like finish is much better than VMR's. My vs8's were powdercoated and the finish was amazing. Alufelgen FTW..Im getting a set. IMO VMR's finish is too fragile. I know from experience. Unless it has changed in the last year and a half.

[chrisE92]

alu felgen's csl's have thicker spokes, from what I can see, which I personally like..

[ALUFELGEN]

Originally Posted by Jlevi SW

Hard to say, as Alufelgen's wheels are not available to the public yet... Which makes me wonder who are the "lots of other members" who say they are the best quality....?

VMR is generally acknowledged as having the best concavity.
THanks
JL

Our wheels are already available to the public. We made an introduction a few days ago

[ALUFELGEN]

Trying to be as objective as possible, there are several advantages our CSL wheels have over the VMR:

- Our wheel concavity reflects a nearly identical face as the OEM CSL
- Our wheel spoke profile is thicker and resembles more the OEM CSL
- Our wheels finish is Silver as opposed to Hypersilver which is a closer match to the OEM finish
- Our wheels are powdercoated which is a more durable finish
- Our rear wheel weights only .7lbs more than the OEM CSL (25.5lbs vs 26.2lbs) which is lighter than the VMR

VMR is launching a 19x10 version of their CSL which is expected to have more concavity than their 19x9.5 version. This is something we were able to achieve on a 19x9.5" wheel. A 10" Rear wheel matched with a 8.5" Front wheel will increase your staggered setup which will significantly induce more understeer than the stock 8.0" Front and 8.5" Rear setup which is something you might want to stay away from. Although I like the idea I can't recommend their 19x10 unless is matched with a proper front wheel.

Nonetheless VMR is a great company with great products.

[Boost Gomez]

Looking at the two I would definitely recommend AluFelgen's version.

[SV Concepts]

Originally Posted by AluFelgen

Trying to be as objective as possible, there are several advantages our CSL wheels have over the VMR:...

Have you compared them side by side? Are there photos to back up this claim?
Excuse me for questioning you but I don't think it's fair to give merit to your claims until your company has "earned it's bones," as VMR has for the last 5+ years.

I'd like to see side-by-side photos.

[FotiosF90M5]

I know this company is new but seeing is believing. look at the pics they have posted. Its clearly closer to oem.
http://www.e90post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=238824

[Kev]

Originally Posted by fotios335i

I know this company is new but seeing is believing. look at the pics they have posted. Its clearly closer to oem.
http://www.e90post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=238824

+1, as much as I like JLeviSW, this kind of sales pitch is totally unnecessary and borderline lying. I would go easy on the "accomplishments" of VMR. I really don't know what VMR has proved in the past 5+ years. Here are the problems that I have seen with their wheels:

1. The finish is pretty crappy and super soft.

2. The wheels are tough to balance CORRECTLY.

3. The 18" wheels are heavier than the 19" stock rims (comparing 18" CSL reps to 19" ZCP OEM rims).

4. The replica doesn't look like what it is trying to replicate. (regarding the curvature of the wheel)

Also, AluFelgen has already proved themselves with the 19" 162s that Morr used to sell.

[FotiosF90M5]

Originally Posted by Jlevi SW

Have you compared them side by side? Are there photos to back up this claim?
Excuse me for questioning you but I don't think it's fair to give merit to your claims until your company has "earned it's bones," as VMR has for the last 5+ years.

I'd like to see side-by-side photos.

having a bad day?..this is unlike you.

[SV Concepts]

Originally Posted by fotios335i

having a bad day?..this is unlike you.

Not at all. I always am suspicious / questioning of any new company that immediately claims their product to be the "best" - especially in this case, where they made this claim as the title of the thread ("Introducing the World's Best CSL!").

I have absolutely no doubts that Alufelgen's product may be superior to VMR's, as they are a higher-priced product made out of T6 Aluminum with low-pressure casting. I would just like them to let the product prove itself in the market, and let customers distinguish their product as the best.

Also, we are always suspicious of the "new" guy, because we have seen far too many "new" guys come in, take advantage of our customer base, and then disappear, leaving us with customers who are hesitant to shop online or modify their cars. Funny story, actually: For the first 6 or 8 months of Vorsteiner's explosion onto the BMW scene, we were highly (and openly) skeptical. It wasn't until customers began expressing their satisfaction with the product (and the products began proving themselves through customer testimony) that we even paid attention to Vorsteiner. Obviously, this has been one of the most important decisions we've made, but it's relevant to demonstrate the fact that I'm in no way singling out Alufelgen. I apologize if it came out that way. I am overly protective when it comes to the information disseminated to the community.

I just want to see a reputation as "the best" be earned based on the merits of the product and satisfaction of the customer - which is not possible when the product has been on the market 3 days.

[604_e90325i]

thank you all for the useful reply. I like both company. I've been on e90post for a long long time as well.. and this is my second E90. I've the M6 rep before but the quality is only ok, i bought it used so i'm not too sure which company it from. but I will have to say VMR design is pretty good lately (V710, V713, new VB3)

anyhow, by looking at the pic, i found that the VMR has more concave on the 10" rear, but lots of member said Alufelgen has a better quality on the finish...

AluFelgen... do you have more pic of the actually rims..

once again, thank you all so much for the info

[ALUFELGEN]

Originally Posted by 604_e90325i

thank you all for the useful reply. I like both company. I've been on e90post for a long long time as well.. and this is my second E90. I've the M6 rep before but the quality is only ok, i bought it used so i'm not too sure which company it from. but I will have to say VMR design is pretty good lately (V710, V713, new VB3)

anyhow, by looking at the pic, i found that the VMR has more concave on the 10" rear, but lots of member said Alufelgen has a better quality on the finish...

AluFelgen... do you have more pic of the actually rims..

once again, thank you all so much for the info

Sure. Here are some pictures of our wheels.

Front:












Rear:




Concavity:
















Close-up:

[spacedogg]

Originally Posted by Kev

Also, AluFelgen has already proved themselves with the 19" 162s that Morr used to sell.

So...Morr used AluFelgen to produce 19" 162s? Or is AluFelgen a spin off of Morr?

Sorry I'm a little behind on the back story here.

[FotiosF90M5]

Originally Posted by spacedogg

So...Morr used AluFelgen to produce 19" 162s? Or is AluFelgen a spin off of Morr?

Sorry I'm a little behind on the back story here.

The morr alloys 162 replica was made by alufelgen. It was a very strong wheel.

[FotiosF90M5]

Originally Posted by Jlevi SW

Not at all. I always am suspicious / questioning of any new company that immediately claims their product to be the "best" - especially in this case, where they made this claim as the title of the thread ("Introducing the World's Best CSL!").

I have absolutely no doubts that Alufelgen's product may be superior to VMR's, as they are a higher-priced product made out of T6 Aluminum with low-pressure casting. I would just like them to let the product prove itself in the market, and let customers distinguish their product as the best.

Also, we are always suspicious of the "new" guy, because we have seen far too many "new" guys come in, take advantage of our customer base, and then disappear, leaving us with customers who are hesitant to shop online or modify their cars. Funny story, actually: For the first 6 or 8 months of Vorsteiner's explosion onto the BMW scene, we were highly (and openly) skeptical. It wasn't until customers began expressing their satisfaction with the product (and the products began proving themselves through customer testimony) that we even paid attention to Vorsteiner. Obviously, this has been one of the most important decisions we've made, but it's relevant to demonstrate the fact that I'm in no way singling out Alufelgen. I apologize if it came out that way. I am overly protective when it comes to the information disseminated to the community.

I just want to see a reputation as "the best" be earned based on the merits of the product and satisfaction of the customer - which is not possible when the product has been on the market 3 days.

I see and respect your point. the title is a bit cocky...they're probably just really excited to finally introduce their new product. It does look the best but they should have been a bit more modest in the title. Im sure the feedback from customers will spread quickly and back the claim. anyway...are you going to be a vendor for this wheel like you were for morr alloys?

[tom @ eas]

Originally Posted by 604_e90325i

I'm in the market of getting a set of CSL reps...

can anyone tell me which company is a better choice?

i saw the pic of VMR new 19x10 rims on the E92 and the concave is like crazy.

but lots of other member saw that the alufelgen is the best quality compare to the OEM one?

if i just look for concavtity... which one is a better choice?

and i've a E90 LCI..

if i go for the VMR one do you guys think this offset is gonna work
19x9.5 +40 in the front
19X10 + 38 in the rear

thanks

Those offsets would be correct in your application. However the previous comments do come off as a bit defensive. Here's our stance:

- The "best" is a combination of quality, customer service and price.
- The "best" is a wheel with different options, as most BMWs are very much different from one another.
- The "best" would be a claim from feedback from actual customers and not from said companies proclaiming their own. We've seen a lot of companies come and go.
- The "best" would be those that speak for themselves rather than having vendors (including manufacturers) force-feed their brand down your throat, making you believe they are the best.

Simply put: The "best" makes a name for itself without any help from others. It doesn't have to be in your face every day reminding you or hijacking threads to get noticed.

If you're asking our opinion - VMR has been there since the beginning and already has a well-deserved reputation.

Otherwise, it's best to simply let forum members decide from here.

[ALUFELGEN]

Originally Posted by Jlevi SW

Not at all. I always am suspicious / questioning of any new company that immediately claims their product to be the "best" - especially in this case, where they made this claim as the title of the thread ("Introducing the World's Best CSL!").

Understood. However, we are not questioning VMR's title of "The benchmark of concavity" while they they might or might not be the benchmark. I`m sure the title is a bit extreme at this point but we have been working on this project for nearly 7 months and couldn't contain the excitement.

Originally Posted by Jlevi SW

I have absolutely no doubts that Alufelgen's product may be superior to VMR's, as they are a higher-priced product made out of T6 Aluminum with low-pressure casting. I would just like them to let the product prove itself in the market, and let customers distinguish their product as the best.

Also, we are always suspicious of the "new" guy, because we have seen far too many "new" guys come in, take advantage of our customer base, and then disappear, leaving us with customers who are hesitant to shop online or modify their cars.

I just want to see a reputation as "the best" be earned based on the merits of the product and satisfaction of the customer - which is not possible when the product has been on the market 3 days.

I somehow understand your point of view although I`m sure since we are the first true competition that their distributors will become a bit defensive. Several distributors have refused to sell our products due to our "high" wholesale cost since our products are a bit more expensive than the competition due to our higher manufacturing cost which reflects in the product quality.

We are also not the "new" guy. We manufactured and distributed HUNDREDS of sets of 19" 162 all over the US and not ONE, again, NOT ONE wheel came back to us defective, unbalanceable, bent or with any paint issues at all. A clear sign of the quality of our products. So our manufacturing and quality HAS been proven for over 3 years. It was in 2008 where we decided to stop being behind the curtain and offer our own line of products. When we claim our products are superior is because we have understood that our product has several advantages over the competition and we know our quality is absolutely solid and can stand behind it. We understand some CSL reps such as the SupremePower and others have come and disappear but the amount of investment we have made into this project will certainly guarantee that we are here to stay .

[spacedogg]

Originally Posted by fotios335i

The morr alloys 162 replica was made by alufelgen. It was a very strong wheel.

Ahhh i see. Thanks Fotios. So how many sets of CSL replica/inspired wheels are you going to have owned after these?!?!

[FotiosF90M5]

Originally Posted by spacedogg

Ahhh i see. Thanks Fotios. So how many sets of CSL replica/inspired wheels are you going to have owned after these?!?!

This will be the last...lol..these look perfect. Im very impressed and Im very, very picky. I love csl's but I had the vmr's and the experience wasnt great. they are nice, but Im in love with these. If they are as strong as the 19" 162's then these wheels will be a huge hit. The pictures of the wheels are beautiful.

[Avery]

I am a forum member who has had VMR CSL wheels and I am replacing them after a year and a half because of the poor finish. I have also bent the passenger front wheel. I have had great service with Alufelgen in ordering. They also have been excellent to work with during the development of their wheel. Time will only tell how well the quality is of the finish and overall integrity of their wheels but as mentioned this is not there very first wheel developed and sold on these very forums. If they can back up any statement they make them more power to them. We will soon see.