[///M TOWN]

Originally Posted by CaboM4

Yes they are commercially available and useless at Tesla superchargers as VIN must be whitelisted by Tesla to be used


Ford for example is providing to all “early adopters” at no cost.

Ford is the smartest of the bunch

I have huge respect for Ford

[CaboM4]

Originally Posted by ///M TOWN

Ford is the smartest of the bunch

I have huge respect for Ford

Agreed. BMW on the other hand wants to piss off it’s early adopters and brand-loyal owners who have already dumped $250k on two “outdated” technology model-year 2023 vehicles.

[lonestar22]

Originally Posted by JMD

I wonder if BMW will retro-fit non "NACS" plug vehicles!

BMW isnt really known for supporting their old vehicles outside of continuing to produce parts for them.

[///M TOWN]

Originally Posted by Travis

I think in future we should consider Tesla as another Exonn, Shell or BP, operating gas station-like EV charging facilities.
The problem is Exonn, Shell or BP never builds cars.
If I am FTC, I would be seriously concerned about the vertical domination of Tesla.
Good to know that BMW is not abandoning the Joint Venture. We will more public charging.

Tesla dominates due to their efforts

Look at their Domino effect

Screw the FTC…

[isenc2]

That is straight up awesome

[Bimmerfun82]

About time

[///M TOWN]

Originally Posted by isenc2

That is straight up awesome

IF you can’t beat them…

[BMWEVGuy]

Guys tell me if I am reading too much or misunderstanding but the article says:

In a continued effort to provide the best possible electric vehicle charging experience for its customers, BMW of North America and Rolls-Royce Motor Cars NA announced today that drivers of BMW, MINI and Rolls-Royce Combined Charging System (CCS) battery electric vehicles (BEV) in the U.S. and Canada will gain access to designated Tesla Supercharger stations in early 2025.

It is clear from bolded part above that CCS BEVs from BMW will gain access to Tesla Supercharger Network.

Now if BMW replaces charging port with NACS port then how can those vehicles be called CCS BEVs ?

On the other hand if BMW really means CCS BEVs will gain access to Tesla SC stations then that can be done via adapter only. This also implies that BMW will continue to manufacture BEVs with CCS port only.

Keep in mind there already exists a whole lot of CCS charging stations and then the stations BMW wants to build in association with other OEMs will have both CCS and NACS charging capability so will BMW really put in a NACS port or just provide adapter.

[isenc2]

Originally Posted by ///M TOWN

IF you can’t beat them…

Right? Might as well use their existing infrastructure.

[Tallest]

Originally Posted by Travis

I think in future we should consider Tesla as another Exonn, Shell or BP, operating gas station-like EV charging facilities.
The problem is Exonn, Shell or BP never builds cars.
If I am FTC, I would be seriously concerned about the vertical domination of Tesla.
Good to know that BMW is not abandoning the Joint Venture. We want more public charging.

Elons push for EVs and getting the network right is an awesome feat. I just wish he kept his various interesting opinions about politics and world affairs to himself. Cant stand his BS.

[note46]

Originally Posted by BMWEVGuy

Guys tell me if I am reading too much or misunderstanding but the article says:



It is clear from bolded part above that CCS BEVs from BMW will gain access to Tesla Supercharger Network.

Now if BMW replaces charging port with NACS port then how can those vehicles be called CCS BEVs ?

On the other hand if BMW really means CCS BEVs will gain access to Tesla SC stations then that can be done via adapter only. This also implies that BMW will continue to manufacture BEVs with CCS port only.

Keep in mind there already exists a whole lot of CCS charging stations and then the stations BMW wants to build in association with other OEMs will have both CCS and NACS charging capability so will BMW really put in a NACS port or just provide adapter.

that part only addresses the current and future CCS cars, until end of 2024.

As part of the arrangement, the BMW Group will also adopt the North American Charging Standard (NACS) for its battery electric vehicles in the U.S. and Canada, starting in 2025.

The part above addresses future BMW EV starting in 2025 to use NACS. Meaning 2025 is the transition year from CCS cars to NACS cars for BMW.

[dirtyrazkal]

Most of those stations already get pretty crowded..I can only imagine the brawls to come 🤨

[Jimjamz]

I’m definitely happy with my next few cars being ICE until these standards bed down and consolidate over the next 5 years.

[barryc365]

Originally Posted by Travis

I think in future we should consider Tesla as another Exonn, Shell or BP, operating gas station-like EV charging facilities.
The problem is Exonn, Shell or BP never builds cars.
If I am FTC, I would be seriously concerned about the vertical domination of Tesla.
Good to know that BMW is not abandoning the Joint Venture. We want more public charging.

The government desperately needs Tesla to build out charging infrastructure to meet climate targets.

It would be a massive own goal to hit them with some anti trust BS over providing a EV charging when that’s exactly what they want and need.

Everyone else was welcome to build out their own infrastructure but Tesla did it best and fastest.

I don’t think they even planned their charging biz to be a major revenue generator, it was built as more of a necessity to reassure customers that they would be able to charge on the go.

This is no different to Apple starting to use the android charging standard, it just makes sense to have a uniform standard.

If they started price gouging then that’s when the government would step in

[baron95]

They had no choice.

EVs are simply starting to accumulate on dealer lots.

Just today on my inbox, local BMW dealer offering $24,500 off and first month payment free on i7s. $14,000 off on iX.

In the same town Mercedes dealer was on CNBC explaining why MB EVs are piling up.

[///M TOWN]

Originally Posted by baron95

They had no choice.

EVs are simply starting to accumulate on dealer lots.

Just today on my inbox, local BMW dealer offering $24,500 off and first month payment free on i7s. $14,000 off on iX.

In the same town Mercedes dealer was on CNBC explaining why MB EVs are piling up.

So they were over enthusiastic on their stock supply, but that has nothing to do with it.

This is the best choice moving forward for BMW’s customers.

[julienjj]

Couple months in MY2024 are already obsolete.

[baron95]

Originally Posted by ///M TOWN

So they were over enthusiastic on their stock supply, but that has nothing to do with it.

This is the best choice moving forward for BMW’s customers.

The interview with the dealer principal said most customers who checked the EVs decided not to buy specifically because of concerns with charging.

They interviewed a couple, who actually had a MB EV (husband's), and liked it, but did not want to switch the wife's car to EV and be 100% dependent on EV because of charging concerns. He said that other than Tesla, the customers said the charging experience is too fraught.

It is all about removing barriers for adoption. The EV enthusiasts rushed to buy - they even paid over MSRP. That gave everyone a false sense of demand. There will be 60 new EV models going on sale in the next 2 years in the US. Competition will be brutal.

When has BMW before offered $24,500 off their flagship vehicle weeks after launching it?

[MT6]

No surprises here.

Tesla charging networks work.

[///M TOWN]

Originally Posted by baron95

The interview with the dealer principal said most customers who checked the EVs decided not to buy specifically because of concerns with charging.

They interviewed a couple, who actually had a MB EV (husband's), and liked it, but did not want to switch the wife's car to EV and be 100% dependent on EV because of charging concerns. He said that other than Tesla, the customers said the charging experience is too fraught.

It is all about removing barriers for adoption. The EV enthusiasts rushed to buy - they even paid over MSRP. That gave everyone a false sense of demand. There will be 60 new EV models going on sale in the next 2 years in the US. Competition will be brutal.

When has BMW before offered $24,500 off their flagship vehicle weeks after launching it?

It’s sounds like they were incredibly optimistic and got ahead of themselves on supply

And now they need to move the inventory to make room for new arrivals

[Bimmerfun82]

Originally Posted by baron95

When has BMW before offered $24,500 off their flagship vehicle weeks after launching it?

IDK, but our dealer has a $190k MSRP i7. Hard to decide between that and a 992 Targa GTS.

Seriously though BMW is testing the market for their insanely upped prices.

[baron95]

Originally Posted by Bimmerfun82

I
Seriously though BMW is testing the market for their insanely upped prices.

It will probably not going to end well.

Every manufacturer will have to come down from the Covid sugar high.

That is why I ordered the cheapest premium performance car - G87 M2.

Can't lose that much money on it vs the crazy M3/M5 prices, when the correction comes.

If the Chinese continue to move away from German cars and lease rates spike in the US, it will not be pretty.