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Can you quit trolling already?
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I addmittedly haven't been keeping up with every post in this thread, but I come in and find someone comparing the F30 328i to the Camry V6...really?? I don't care if the Camry is 5 seconds faster than the 328i in any acceleration test, it's still a POS Camry that has wet dreams of competing with BMW. Comparing it to any recent BMW is like comparing "Helga the troll" to a supermodel; i.e., if Helga was the last person on Earth, you might consider taking her as your wife, but you'd seriously consider dying alone with the hope that a supermodel might be found before you die.
P.S. Has anyone seen the newer Camry commercials with the F-22s in it? Does anyone relate any Toyota product to fighter jets, ever??? |
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02-01-2012, 09:38 PM | #114 | |
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BMW gears their manuals very nicely to get all the power into motion. Also the 328i is RWD and the Camry is FWD. The RWD will be able to put the power to the road much better than the FWD Camry, which will spin it's tires losing some of it's HP advantage. The new 328i 2.0T should be in the upper mid 5's to 60 when tested in the real world. Last edited by RPM90; 02-01-2012 at 10:13 PM.. |
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02-01-2012, 09:48 PM | #115 | |
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BS! It is not in the least "abuse" to rev a MT and GO. It's the proper way to launch a MT. Even with dual clutch trans many have a "launch control" that doesn't trick anything. It revs the engine like a MT driver would and then GOES. |
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02-01-2012, 10:04 PM | #116 | |
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Also, the A4 you reference used the old tech 6spd auto, which has been replaced with a new 8spd auto that is more responsive and is better to able to use the low rpm torque that most modern small displacement turbo's have. Audi's 2.0T is now dated. They need an update. BMW's 2.0T is modern and has less lag than Audi's. In the A4 years you reference, an A4 2.0T with MT did 60 in the low 6's. I had that model, and with a MT it was very responsive. The tip was sucky and didn't play well with the 2.0T. Audi's new 8spd AT is much better and quicker even with the same engine it had n 2011. Your info is old and becoming irrelevant. I also agree with others here, "fuel efficiency" is NOT measured on how much it costs per year. It depends on how many MPG's it can achieve. If you get more MPG on a given engine, then it follows that it will cost less per year. If you're using figures for an engine that uses 87 octane, then it's not the whole story either as 87 costs less. Most people don't look at that, they look at the MPG. If you want to make a case for 87, fine. Then, you'll have to test a 328i with 87 octane as well, and then compare the MPG using the same test cycle. That test cycle will prove positive for the BMW because it won't get the engine into an area where the knock sensor will go off, cause the engine can run just fine on 87, the power will be slightly reduced it there is knock. It's not that BMW engines can't be run on 87, it's just that if you want the best performance with best power then you need to use the optimal octane. So, both ways don't tell the whole story if you don't present the whole story. |
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02-01-2012, 10:09 PM | #117 | |
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It'll be the same for the Camry too. I'm sure we can find real 0-60 times for it. I'm going with at least upper mid 5's (5.6 to 5.8)for the MT and maybe even for the sport AT version. Real numbers will probably be closer to lower mid 5's, 5.3-5.5 with the MT. You're on! Last edited by RPM90; 02-02-2012 at 04:45 PM.. |
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02-02-2012, 09:13 AM | #118 | |
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When I say "racers" in this context, I mean drag style racing. A real drag race starts with both cars standing still, at 0mph. Road course is not about raw power and putting all of it to the ground all at once for the fastest run to end of a straight line. It's about control and balance where a less powerful car might even win a race. BTW, do you always shove your foot all the way down at the exit? Just wondering, cause that may not result in the fastest lap depending on the course. But, I dig what you're saying. As I said, acceleration runs are about putting all the power down into forward motion to get to the end of that line as fast as possible. When I consider 0-60 or 5-60 I'm not thinking road course. That spec wasn't started with road racing in mind. It became standard as that is what American muscle cars were about, straight line acceleration. Oh, and btw, 5-60 is not a test that is favorable to turbo engines to begin with. So, by it's very nature you'll get data that only serves to give the wrong idea and impression. |
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We're in agreement now. Thanks for the clarification PS - To be honest, in my humble opinion : Drag Racing < Track Racing < Rally Racing (although, I am over simplifying a lot of aspects...this is a subjective opinion) Last edited by 90degreeman; 02-02-2012 at 05:32 PM.. |
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02-02-2012, 06:38 PM | #122 | |
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Drag racing can be fun, but it's more of a young guy wham bam quick love thing. Road racing is about finding the curves and figuring out how to finesse it to extract the greatest pleasure, sometimes hard and fast, sometimes slow and gentle. It's a better all around race using all your skills. So depending on your mood fun can be had by all. |
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When was the last time you did a drop off clutch from 3500-4000rpm? When was the last time that you simply mash the throttle from idle? ***Here's your very obvious answer.*** |
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those are a3 tdi numbers, love bmw, just wish they would go diesel
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