[djacinto]

Hey bmw friends,


I have come to a very interesting predicament of choosing a next car. I've been in love with my 428 since the day i bought it and am still in love with it today. The way it handles, sounds and overall daily drivability is just amazing after all the maintenance and mods I've done to the car. With that being said, I've finally been promoted in my job and am looking to upgrade in the next year.

I've always wanted an m4, but in the recent years I realized I'll never be able to take advantage of the performance of one, and am more interested in the luxury aspects anyways since i would mainly be street driving it.

In comes the 650: I test drove one today and can say that I wasn't in love with it. Granted, I don't think I was as in love with my car as I am today because I've done work on it since then, but this car in particular just didn't have that oomph, understandably since the 650 gc is more than 700 pounds heavier

However, the 6's fit and finish is a league above the 4, you can get bang and olufson sound system, it's much more common to get adaptive cruise, you can have massage seats, AND ventilated, which is impossible in our f32.

So that brings me to the predicament I'm in today. There are 4 main contenders: 2 650's and 2 440's. The first tier is at 35k and the second is at 40. Aside from price, I feel like I would be missing out on a lot in the 440 due to the reasons mentioned earlier. Of course you can get adaptive cruise but it's a very rare option in my research. At 40k, even more so, I feel like the 6 just gives more bang for the buck,

As for maintenance, I do all the work myself. I am a fairly experienced bmw diy'er at this point as I've worked on multiple, and are around them all the time for my job. Understandably the 650 is going to be more expensive, and I have taken that into consideration but is not a main concern, purely driving experience and livability.

At the end of the day, I value performance/handling the most, with luxury as a close second. I'd only be looking at a gran coupe for the 6 because at least the back seats are useful, but it's not a deal breaker. Does anyone have a similar experience in their car search?

[eff32fl]

While I've never driven a 6 series if you're looking for performance the 4 series is the better choice. The 440i with MPPSK or a stage 1 tune and it's a lot of fun. Throw in some coilovers for a tighter ride.

I was in the same boat as you and had a 430i and upgraded to a 440i. The 440i is a lot of fun to drive. Sure there is some bias here lol.

[djacinto]

Originally Posted by eff32fl

While I've never driven a 6 series if you're looking for performance the 4 series is the better choice. The 440i with MPPSK or a stage 1 tune and it's a lot of fun. Throw in some coilovers for a tighter ride.

I was in the same boat as you and had a 430i and upgraded to a 440i. The 440i is a lot of fun to drive. Sure there is some bias here lol.

Agreed. I think many of us are a touch biased but man our platform is just so balanced.

I’d end up modifying both anyways so it’s not like I’d miss the power from the v8 vs i6, but just thinking of overall package

[Boostedphil698]

What year is the 650i? The N63 is a dog to maintain especially earlier variants. The 440i will undoubtedly be more reliable. It'll also handle a bit better since it's smaller. The 650i is purely a luxury car, unless you get an M6.

[djacinto]

Originally Posted by Boostedphil698

What year is the 650i? The N63 is a dog to maintain especially earlier variants. The 440i will undoubtedly be more reliable. It'll also handle a bit better since it's smaller. The 650i is purely a luxury car, unless you get an M6.

Only looking at 15+, so n63tu’s

[Boostedphil698]

Originally Posted by djacinto

Only looking at 15+, so n63tu’s

They're a bit better. Personally, if I was looking at a 6 series, I would probably just grab an M to avoid reliability issues. Even though the S63 track record isn't that great.

[Cytoplasm0671]

Originally Posted by djacinto

Hey bmw friends,
At the end of the day, I value performance/handling the most, with luxury as a close second. I'd only be looking at a gran coupe for the 6 because at least the back seats are useful, but it's not a deal breaker. Does anyone have a similar experience in their car search?

If you want performance over luxury get the 440. You can always do what myself and others have done which is replace parts of the interior with luxury 7-series stuff. For example Ive already replaced my plastic start stop button with a 7 series metal button, and will be replacing my plastic iDrive controller with the gorgeous 7-series ceramic controller.

[tturedraider]

I love the 6er. I’ve never been a huge fan of the 4er tail light design.

Of course, the 650 is a totally different animal from the 440. Have you seen this listing? It’s up here in Chicago, but I know the guy who’s selling it.
https://www.6post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2029965

[djacinto]

Originally Posted by tturedraider

I love the 6er. I’ve never been a huge fan of the 4er tail light design.

Of course, the 650 is a totally different animal from the 440. Have you seen this listing? It’s up here in Chicago, but I know the guy who’s selling it.
https://www.6post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2029965

Appreciate the advice and listing!

I think it’s a bit higher miles than I’m looking for but great spec! My gf’s 128 is carbon black and I love the color

[Prak903]

I say stick with the 440i (not biased at all). For me personally the 650 just seems way too long, land yacht/boat style car. I'm assuming with that budget the 650's you would be looking at would be older, 15-16 so most likely with the old iDrive, etc. Going the 440 route would bring the newer idrive, technology, etc.

With your last statement, if you want a performance-tilted gran coupe with some luxury, go with the 440i. As you said you will feel the power difference, more so with handling as well.

[djacinto]

Originally Posted by Prak903

I say stick with the 440i (not biased at all). For me personally the 650 just seems way too long, land yacht/boat style car. I'm assuming with that budget the 650's you would be looking at would be older, 15-16 so most likely with the old iDrive, etc. Going the 440 route would bring the newer idrive, technology, etc.

With your last statement, if you want a performance-tilted gran coupe with some luxury, go with the 440i. As you said you will feel the power difference, more so with handling as well.

This is a good way of thinking. My mains gripe is just missing out on the extra luxury features, mainly bang and olufson and adaptive cruise. Others have mentioned the ventilated and massage seats are a gimmick, which I get, so if I can find a 440 or a 650 with minimum of those tow features for the same price, which is currently almost impossible, then I’d go for the 6. Otherwise, 440 is where I’m leaning

[djacinto]

So my search finally concluded last Saturday. I went with a left field choice and picked up a 2017 750li.

It has all the features from the 6 that I wanted, and it’s now only a generation old.

Funny story, I was this close to ending my search just a week before that after looking at multiple cars across the country, dealing with multiple shady dealers, cars being sold under me and the lot.

I flew out to Georgia the first week of April to look at an impala red 650, and I wanted to love it so bad. For some reason I just couldn’t get the deal to make sense. It was listed for 25.9, 3 owners, 58k miles and had everything I wanted but the wear and tear were starting to show and I wasn't a fan of the dealership either.

For a grand less, I came across the 7 I ended up purchasing out in California. Almost completely optioned out, with a 121k original msrp, 2 owners, 57k miles and lived in cali it's whole life, it was an amazing score.

This car is a beast and I'm going to miss being in such a nimble car, but that's why I've got my 1er too

Say hello to Giulia

[Jvac]

Ventilated seats are definitely not a gimmick, to whoever said that. They are a huge benefit to those of us who enjoy 100+ degree summers. I can't speak for the massagers but I sure am missing the vented seats from my prior car in my 335

[Fredo]

Congrats, sir ! The 7-series is on my bucket list. Let's see if I can pull the trigger someday.

[FamousVX]

I recently got a 440i gran coupe best of both worlds drives amazing doesn’t seem to big and heavy unlike a 6 series I’ve driven.

[djacinto]

Originally Posted by Fredo

Congrats, sir ! The 7-series is on my bucket list. Let's see if I can pull the trigger someday.

I see you're in Austin! dm me and we can meet up sometime! I go to cota quite often so there's a chance we've ran into each other

Originally Posted by FamousVX

I recently got a 440i gran coupe best of both worlds drives amazing doesn’t seem to big and heavy unlike a 6 series I’ve driven.

Completely get that. the f36 imo has poor visibility, especially in the rear window and that's why I wouldn't have even considered it.