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That will probably never happen I think RD sport tells them not to run their cars or something... All we'll ever see is Dynosheets and charts. that 60-130 time posted by PG vs DLSJ5 was lookin a lil weak sauce hopefully with the extra power from his new tune he can finally top a Bolt on DCT car. Which would be the least it could do for $30k
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I wont PM any of them, Jon can do that. Tell them to post what they saw...lets see if you are a stand up guy. |
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However, some people need to keep in mind the Dinan stroker has an extra mm of bore vs. the rdsport, something for stroker people to consider |
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First time I have ever been impressed by one of your posts, well said, +1.
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I wish for information to flow freely without bias, but we will not get that here. The stroker and SC both serve a purpose, true. Both can be satisfying in different ways. However, the SC is the best performance option, end of discussion in that regard. I want a direct comparison, as does everyone else, it can be arranged. What is stopping you? Do I need an F430? |
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I am selling my Gpower kit but for other reasons. I'm going a different direction with my car and that kit does not have enough boost for what I'm going to do. I'm sick of all the bullshit assumptions people make over this stupid forum. The dyno I posted is the same kit I'm selling with the new tune. The guy who posted the dyno runs Gpower. I didn't do anything dirty. It's the new tune, same kit. I'm a honest person and I find it pretty crazy that you would think I would lie to someone to make a quick buck, I was raised better then that. If anything, I get fucked over left and right for being so nice to people. That's my problem, not yours. I don't know about you, but I don't have anything to hide. I don't give a shit if someone wants to go buy a supercharger or go get a stroker kit. At the end of the day, I don't gain anything from it. It doesn't make a difference in my life. It's just a damn car, I do this as a hobby. I'm just a car enthusiast. My kit will sell, someone that has brains will know that hardware is fine. The only problem I had was the tune, and Gpower developed a new tune already. You can even go get your own tune from local tuners, if you don't trust Gpower. Good luck on the stroker sale.
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11-13-2009, 01:29 AM | #142 | |
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No one here said that a Stroker was faster than S/C'ed car. They have not been tested head to head on the straight line or at the track. Traction issues aside, the S/C'ed one should be ahead by some margin on a straight line since S/C'ed cars according to Dynos, put down about 60-70WHP and 30-40 WTQ more. On the track, who knows. Again, no tests have been done yet. But thats all irrelevant, the main issue in this thread was reliability. Period. And its what I've addressed the whole time. Not who's faster, but who is more reliable and will last longer, and regardless of the blown motors some seem to think its normal and okay in the F/I scene, the Super Chargers record on the S65 motor is bad so far. Sure, it could have been a completely isolated fuck up on G-Power's part, but the more the car owner messes with the tuning, the more chances that something will go wrong on a S/C car. The nonesense about a bolt on M3 and Stroker being equal is ridiculous. Its like saying that an 435whp/340wtq stroker is just as fast as a 490whp/370whp S/C car. Its not, whats the difference in times on the E9x M3s? Yet to be known...depending on traction/tract/tires/weather/etc... Check the Dyno data base, my car puts down 50+whp and 60+wtq more than the highest reading full bolt on M3 (dogears) on a Dynojet, SAE corr, same type of Dyno and corr used for my results when my car only had 2K on the new motor 8 months ago. Yet Jon says the performance is the same. You know how retarded that sounds?! The OP doesnt seem to be short in cash, but is the 50-60 extra HP (w/ a S/C over a stroker) worth the potential for a blown motor, due to a bad tune or malfunction? Thats what this thread is about. People get their heads blown up with the 500whp S/C numbers but can it really be used efficiently? Niterider tuned his down to 480whp. due to his preference. Can it make more power, of course, but can it be efficiently used if there is no traction? Whats the point? 60-130mph runs only? Since you guys are SO familiar with S/C companies for the E9X M3, which S/C companies give full engine warranty? How long? Last edited by JMD0977; 11-13-2009 at 01:45 AM.. |
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11-13-2009, 01:57 AM | #143 | |
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Thanks tightie. As I said on the post, i was nothing personal, but what I posted is what I gathered from the F/S thread and thought I'd speak my mind. And If I did, maybe others did as well. So it'd be good to clear that up and show that was not your intent. Mainly because the gains were not done on your car. I see your point but its like another stroker owner selling his car, he made less power than I, and he uses my higher results to sell his car. I'd put him out there too. This thread stopped being about the OP a long time ago when shit started flying sideways. Goodluck with the sale. |
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Lacked objectivity? Frequently, and you are hardly a good example of keeping your emotions in check or lacking bias. Well, I'm not really in the mood to do homework, but here we are: Quote:
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You question my intellectual honesty because I am a long time reader yet new poster? What is wrong with that exactly? Is there some natural tie to post count and honesty that I am missing? I've been called out? I am straight up telling you, bring your car to the strip and line up next to me. You won't do it, you will never do it, because you don't have a snowballs chance in hell. This has nothing to do with loudmouth SC guys talking to the loudmouth stroker guy. What I want is for everyone to see just how big the performance gap is between the two. Once people see what the rest of us know, you will not be able to talk up your stroker. Essentially, once you man up and actually face me, you will no longer have your stroker pride because I will take it from you. You are not willing to part with it as you have essentially tied your existence here to it and parting with it is an impossibility for you. I will make it even easier on you. You name the time, the track, the place, whatever, and I will meet you there. We can use Vbox's, a stopwatch, or even a sun dial if you want. It won't matter, you don't have a chance. |
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If you guys want, I can test them both out for you on my car and let you know which one I like better
Sorry, this was kind of a waste of a post.
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hey guys, i am sure i'm not the only one here...
this f***in thread has NOTHING TO DO anymore with the OP's question!!!! the OP wanted to know mostly about reliability like it's been said before... and like it's been said before too, money is most likely not an issue... so maybe it would be great if some of you guys who seem to have experience / knowledge of either stroker or SC will stick to the facts to help the OP instead of "u said this / u said that" or " you dont wanna race 'cause u scared..." holy sh** u guys, it sounds like a class of freakin' 10-y.o. !!! i was hoping to learn some interesting stuff about both solutions but this whole thread became a waste because of all the stupid personal argument BS going on... oh well, there are countless interesting threads on this forum, i'll just move on and try to get some good info somewhere else... yeah just like Kyosho above that's probably another waste of a post, but someone had to Cheers! |
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This is all getting way out of control. The OP wants to know about a reliable performance upgrade for his car. Hands down a stroker option is the way to go. In previous post JonMartin admits FI limits the life expectancy of the stock motor as he well knows. But he is still fighting his argument in this thread.
And also for you guys across the pond its all about 1/4 mile BS. Just because a car is faster in a straight line doesn't mean its a better car. Run a NA S65 against a FI S65 with stock internals over a long period on a track and you'll see who will be in the pits overheating or encountering over issues. If money isn't an issue then yes you are a retard if you want FI, especially on stock internals! |
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LOL you guys calm down calm down its not about which will make more power.
A super charger is going to make more power than the Stroker I understand that, but at what expense? So some of the engine tunning has gone bad with a few supercharger setups. The Strokers have been more reliable, but cost more and not as much gains at the top end. My newest question is with some of the supercharger kits, they talk about a remap for the DCT ? With the recent DCT lag and all of the updates for the DCT, how is this related? Im not exactly sure how you "MAP" a DCT trans. Hopefully these maps for the trans are more reliable than the engine tunes. I would be looking to go with a gintani setup and run 5psi. It might give me slightly more hp and the overall cost is about $6,000 less. That is the current pricing and numbers you guys should take into consideration. Of course I have already ordered an exhaust and high flow cats so that isnt much to argue over either haha.
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