01-14-2013, 02:52 PM | #111 |
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CAFE standards are going up in 2016. So, you make a car with a smaller motor, you sell a bunch, and your overall fleet numbers rise. It's just the way of the world now. Gubmint fines would eat away the profits.
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I'd say the F30 LCI with probably keep the 320i and 328i as they are (they are new engines) and the 335i will be replaced by a new version of the N55 engine. My money is greater fuel efficiency and on 330HP/330lb-ft. Whether it will be called 335i, M335i or 340i remains to be seen. Indeed I bet both engines will be a "detuned" version of the M3/M4 engine --both would be double 3-cyl engines BMW (the one recently introduced). Audi on the other hand will retain the 2.0T apparently bumped up to 225HP (sandwitched between the 320i and 328i). Audi may also introduce their new 3.0T six, mostly in 330HP form, not 270HP. Mercedes will keep the 250 engine (200HP) and then it's anybody's game. Overall, BMW has the better, more sensical, lineup. |
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2011 E90 328i 3.0 N/A I-6 producing 230HP and 200TQ 0 to 60 in 6.4 seconds 28 MPG Highway MSRP: $34,600 2014 F30 320i 2.0 TT I-4 producing 180HP and 200TQ 0 to 60 in 7 seconds (underrated, we know the F30 328i is almost a second faster with traction off) 34 MPG Highway MSRP: $33,445 And you're geting the F30 chasis. What are you expecting BMW to do?
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01-14-2013, 04:29 PM | #119 |
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01-14-2013, 04:51 PM | #120 |
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Whether or not you like this car, you have to understand its purpose.
BMW has become more of a mass market brand -- not in volume (yet), but definitely in appeal. A lot of potential BMW buyers couldn't tell the difference between a 320i and a 328i, but they will be attracted to this car because the lease payments will drop $40+ per month from a 328i and it will otherwise be the same car to them. It will reduce lost sales to Mercedes, Cadillac, Infiniti and perhaps other brands who could otherwise undercut BMW. And it will allow dealers to order decently equipped cars that sticker under $40K whereas most 328is on dealer lots sticker over $40K today. Some economic barriers are real, some are psychological, but they exist in buyers' minds, so BMW is reacting to stay price competitive. I wouldn't buy one, but thousands surely will. |
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01-14-2013, 04:55 PM | #121 | |
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I know a lot of people are waiting for the N55 replacement, but I just don't see it adding power, I think it would be another N54 to N55 like move, same 300 HP but maybe more effecient. If they indeed keep 3 engines plus have a M Performance version and full blown M, I don't think the top line regular version would have 330HP, because speculation is the new M3 will still only have about 415 horsepower (but a big torque jump). So if you had a 335i with 330 horsepower and the M3 with 415, where would you put a M335i? anything over 350 and its too close to a M3. Right now Audi goes from 270HP with the 3.0 base to 333HP with the S4 version of that same engine. I believe BMW will do something similar with the M performance version of the new 3/4 series and not just the little 20HP bumps the old "is" versions used to get. Mercedes is not even a contender (except for AMG), their base versions have always been horrible for performance and effeciency, its sad when your MPG for your smallest car in the US is as bad as the C class and your performance is also the worst in the group (again excluding AMG which does an excellent job). |
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01-14-2013, 04:56 PM | #122 |
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it's gotta be a diesel, 180 @ 5,000 rpm? in a gas car that doesn't make sense...
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01-14-2013, 05:06 PM | #124 | |
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Like I said, I would wait to see a dyno.
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01-14-2013, 05:09 PM | #125 |
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Why are there so many ignorant people here?
So, BMW is introducing a new entry level car which is already sold in many other countries, including their homecountry and some people are crying because the car is more affordable now? How is that affecting people who drive 335is and M3s? Grow up people. |
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01-14-2013, 05:31 PM | #126 | |
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320i -- 180HP -- affordable entry-level BMW dynamics 328i -- 240HP -- efficient mid-range performance 335i or 340i -- 300HP? -- top of the line w/ N55 replacement M335i or M340i -- 330HP? -- true enthusiast performance (S4 and Q50 fighter?) M3/M4 -- 420HP? -- supersports car (RS4/C63 fighter) Add to that the coupe and convertible and wagon and gran coupe versions (will we get the 3GT in the States?)... and you got one hell of a line-up there. Good luck, competition My uncertainty is on whether or not BMW will go for a regular 335/340 and a special M-version (a la M135i or 335is) or just one of those. I think the gap between the 328 and future 335 needs to widen in the future. And maybe only the coupe and gran coupe versions will get the M/is treatment... who knows. |
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01-14-2013, 05:34 PM | #128 | |
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Also, what's all this talk of an "A4 3.0T" ? Are you guys talking about an S4? Check Audi USA's website, they only sell A4 2.0Ts now. |
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01-14-2013, 05:39 PM | #129 |
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Why do I feel the mpg numbers don't seem impressive. My F30 328i gets similar numbers. I average 27 mpg half city and half highway in the comfort setting. The lowest I went was 26 mpg. I just feel that a 320d would be the better choice. My wife is dying for a diesel X3 to replace her 2011 X3 with the N52.
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01-14-2013, 05:48 PM | #131 |
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And be happy, here in the Netherlands we have 2 versions of the 320i, one has the N20 with 184 HP and one has the 1.6 N16 (prince engine, with twinscroll turbo) with only 170 HP
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