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THE ULTIMATE Intercooler Thread - What to Look For Before Buying an FMIC
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03-03-2016, 08:38 PM | #45 |
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No disrespect to you of course, but im calling BS on this comparison
First they used the cheapest FMIC wagner has to offer (EVO I performance) then they got ridiculous results.
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03-03-2016, 08:41 PM | #46 |
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No problem, well i guess its the cheapest for a reason
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03-04-2016, 12:59 AM | #52 |
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Keep in mind to take some things with a grain of salt.. The vendors here don't sell the ATM so they are not likely to recommend them, they will recommend other FMICs (that they coincidentally sell) so you can buy those from them. The ATM is very comparable to the high end Wagner, and its the maker of the old Helix FMIC and is a very well-made intercooler, and quite a few other intercoolers that are quality-made are around that same price. The ATM/Helix has consistently preformed well in any reviews and tests.
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03-04-2016, 11:03 AM | #56 |
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Out of curiosity why? Step gives you a larger intercooler face which is more important than depth no? Also more mass as an intercooler is like a heatsink. One can argue the AD ICs are the best option for our cars for big HP and it is a stepped design...just curious as to your thoughts.
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Wagner EVO 2 is showing amazing results
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I had the Spearco FMIC as my first IC. It served my setup well when running FBO on a pump gas (91) tune using the Procede REV3 V5's stage 3 maps.
Boost targeted 18psi. Throttle response was great. But after I switched to the Flex Fuel setup from Vishnu, my IAT's shot up to 160F on a 90F day in SoCal. The car felt like crap pull after pull. The firmware targeted 21psi of boost and tapered to 16 I think. It was heat soaking even while sitting in traffic. Took a while to cool it down. Then I got a hold of the CXRacing FMIC kit. Install took me a while since I had to cut a whole bunch of plastic from the shroud to make it fit. IC piping was 2.5" all the way to the CP. The Procede was a great setup but I was getting all sorts of DME failures and errors. Got fed up and yanked it out. Bad harness maybe? Switched to MHD w/MBoost on Wedge's flash that targets 23-24psi and tapers to 20psi (WGDC is at 70's up top, still plenty of room, thanks to the inlets) on e75. IAT's don't go past 130 on a hot day. After each pull, IAT's quickly dissipate to 90F and drops some more if I stay out of boost. Results are dramatic at night or during winter where cruising IAT's are in the low to mid 60's, spiking up to high 80's after each pull. No heat soaking issues. No lag on throttle response. No timing drops. Just running out of fuel, but that's another story. I'm sure this kit can handle stage 2 turbos with a whole lot lower WGDC. But if anyone has the same kit with stage 2 twins, feel free to chime in. I'd like to know. |
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03-04-2016, 11:10 PM | #62 |
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Stick turbo and that will remain but besides afe Intake and cobb drive tune that's it atm ...I have coming er charge pipe and forge dv and dp's will be in the cards. I don't want a chunky monkey cooler that I need to trim and cut etc more effect response and low end torque ...so basically my initial thoughts are either mishimo or the 5 inch vrsf but would love all input |
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03-05-2016, 12:05 AM | #63 |
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I feel the ambient thermal management gets less love on this forum (vs 1addicts etc) than it deserves, it's a nice stepped core, reminds me of helix. It's proven very good. The VRSF 7" is still my favorite performance vs price piece. The ADE is hands down the best for dyno queens and hp seekers. My $0.02 of contribution.
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03-05-2016, 01:08 AM | #64 |
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I'm on the same page as v8bait.
If your looking for the cheapest intercooler vrsf is the cheapest intercooler that will work as good as some name brand intercoolers. If you want very good iat suppression intercooler buy ATM or Wagner evo 2. Other top names are Evolution raceworks and et's 7. High price, custom made, large, excellent finish A.D engineering for anyone with larger turbos. If you have any other intercooler you probably have an intercooler that performs between vrsf and atm. I owned Godspeed, atm and ad engineering intercoolers on a 335. If everyone that bought a n54 just stuck to the names mentioned above you would not have an issue with fitment or performance until your over 600 hp and then you would start to need a custom sized intercooler. |
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Are the're any decent upgrades to stock that don't weigh significantly more? Not thrilled with the idea of hanging an extra 10 or 15 off in front of the front axel.
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