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      08-02-2014, 07:01 PM   #1
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Hi all,

Just had my new alignment. I have BC-BR Coilover and its lowered approx 30mm all round with Front M3 sway bar.

Dampers for Front is 8 clicks from soft.
Damper for Rear is 12 clicks from soft.

Front: 225/40/18@38PSI
Camber = -1.9 deg
Caster = 8 deg
Toe = 0 deg

Rear: 255/35/18@38PSI
Camber = -1.5 deg
Toe = 0

I dont do track but does lots of mountain run with twisting road. I also try to eliminate understeer as the previous factory alignment does understeer when approaching tight corners.

Any comments?
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Hi all,

Just had my new alignment. I have BC-BR Coilover and its lowered approx 30mm all round with Front M3 sway bar.

Dampers for Front is 8 clicks from soft.
Damper for Rear is 12 clicks from soft.

Front: 225/40/18@38PSI
Caster = 8 deg
Camber = -1.9 deg
Toe = 0 deg

Rear: 255/35/18@38PSI
Caster = 8 deg
Camber = -1.5 deg
Toe = 0

I dont do track but does lots of mountain run with twisting road. I also try to eliminate understeer as the previous factory alignment does understeer when approaching tight corners.

Any comments?
Looks ok to me, nothing extreme really afaic. As long as it handles the way you want it to then it's all good. Tire pressure can help with 'understeer' but driving smoother will go a long way toward eliminating its perception fwiw.

Running the same stagger with the street wheels (@ 32F/37R) but square 255/35 (@ 32psi) for the track which is what's currently on the car.

Dampers are set for the track all the time. Ride height is about an inch and a half below non-ZSP stock, about a half inch below ZSP stock.

Street setup is -1.5 deg all around with zero toe in front and slight toe-in in back. Caster is just barely under 7 deg. Track setup is -3 deg front camber and -2.5 deg rear with toe-out in front and more toe-in in back.
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Isn't it weird to run more camber in the front than rear?
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Isn't it weird to run more camber in the front than rear?
Nope, not at all. It depends on how the chassis is setup for front and rear weight transfer to the outside tires in a turn.
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Had a quick run on road.....there is still some slight understeer......might up the front tyre pressure by 2 psi and see if it will go away.
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Isn't it weird to run more camber in the front than rear?
Nope.

I run -2.5 up front.
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Had a quick run on road.....there is still some slight understeer......might up the front tyre pressure by 2 psi and see if it will go away.
I'm pretty sure you'd want to reduce front tire pressure to increase contact patch area and traction so the car doesn't plow as easily, assuming you're talking about understeer at turn-in anyway.
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I'm at -2.1 front, -2.0 rear feels solid on the street w/ tire PSI at 32psi.
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-2.8 up front and - 2.4 on the rear for me.
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For those who have more camber at front than rear, do you track the car or street use?
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For those who have more camber at front than rear, do you track the car or street use?
Both. But camber is adjustable front and rear and witness marked for both street and track. Camber is greater in front than rear only in track setting.
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Your tire pressures seem really high. stock is 30psi front, 35psi rear. i run 31front/36rear with 19x8.5 wheels and toyo proxy T1Rs (I forget the tire specs). If I increase pressure from there the car feels too high and bouncy and it will understeer. Tire store recommends factory pressures even with the low profiles..
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update: The T1Rs are the uni-directional, aggressive ones; not the bi-directonal, continental new T1Rs.
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For those who have more camber at front than rear, do you track the car or street use?
I'm running -2 front, -1.8 rear, mostly street and will adjust front more negative for autox. Overkill for the street but it does make the car feel better; I took these settings during the second half of my tire wear, thinking I can experiment with this setting on the street with limited consequence of uneven wear. If I wear insides quickly I'll go with something less aggressive up front for street, on my next set of tires.
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