Disturbing 335i info (from inside source)

E90-4life · 12-13-2005, 11:36 PM

To add to what was said about there not being a 335Xi model...

The 335 is more of an enthusiast car than a core 3er, I'd think of it as somewhat along the lines of the E46 33OI ZHP, a sporty road thrashing 3

db17k · 12-13-2005, 11:37 PM

As long as it comes out next year, i'm fine with whatever!

eshamas21 · 12-14-2005, 01:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Tine

Thanks. You won't be disapponted. Santa will bring a lot of joy to the BMW fans.

Even before Christmas.

I really hope so.... u dont think santa can bring the actual car for christmas?

cntlaw · 12-14-2005, 02:51 AM

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Originally Posted by SpeedFreak!

All the dates correspond to the dates I have stated for some time.

The newly face-lifted Z4 (3.0i w/ 215 and 3.0si w/ 255hp) and M roadster (just revised today: 330hp) will start production in Feb'06

The Z4 coupe and M coupe will start production in May or June... with the same numbers.

3 series coupe (E46 should end production in May, if not sooner) will make it's FIRST official debut in Geneva in March... and then start production by June as a 328Ci (235hp) and a 335Ci (310hpNA)

Why hector said the 335ci is 330hp Twin Turbo ? And , you said 335ci should be 310hp NA right?

Is this the major item this group still cannot agree on ?

stressdoc · 12-14-2005, 07:36 AM

That sums it up. The Euro market is getting the bi-turbo with approx. 330 bhp, which translates into approx 310hp by the current US yardstick. The BIG question is whether the NA market gets this same bi-turbo engine. Some of us are willing to forego our citizenship if Purves cannot convince the lawyers to release it in the US. I do not think he has any trouble with the bean counters on this one -- it is a no-brainer to improve both the image and the bottom-line. Look at all the folks lined up and waiting for the 335i now. It is a must-do if BMW is to maintain the position of the ultimate driving machine in the eyes of the hp war, 0-60 mad USA car buying public. Can't have Lexus, VW, etc upstaging the 3-series.

JamieA · 12-14-2005, 08:08 AM

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Originally Posted by warot

335nm? That can't be right...

I agree with you, this torque figure looks way too low for a turbo. The stock NA 3.0l makes 300nm.

hector · 12-14-2005, 08:17 AM

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Originally Posted by cntlaw

Why hector said the 335ci is 330hp Twin Turbo ? And , you said 335ci should be 310hp NA right?

Is this the major item this group still cannot agree on ?

i never said anything re: turbo vs. na, i think you may have been thinking of tine? please don't misquote me, thanks.

hector · 12-14-2005, 08:26 AM

speed and tine, thanks for responses, i knew about the twin-sequential set-up but didn't realize that the term variable was applied to it.

SpeedFreak! · 12-14-2005, 11:02 AM

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Originally Posted by bmwrules

Within the next several months my wife and I will be replacing her Honda Pilot with a 330i to go along with the 545 that I drive. My question is for the US market, will the 335 replace the 330 or will the 335 be in addition to the 330.

That is the debate. Originally... going back to the beginning of this year... the belief (alleged BMW plan) that I reported was to bring us a Turbo 3 series that would fit nicely between the normal 330i and the M3. The inside information regarding the Turbo was solid... the gap filler was all speculation. Over the last couple of months, as we near the release of the E92, we are getting more reliable information about what is coming.

Tine is claiming the same thing I was claiming towards the first of the year. The same thing the Dutch link says in either this thread or one of the others... that the 335 will be in addition to the 330.

That could very easily be true for the world market... BUT will NOT under any circumstances apply to the US market.

Go to BMW's world website... www.bmw.com and select a country. Now select the 3 series. How many models do you see?

Now go to www.bmwusa.com - How many 3 series models do you see?

We will have a 328 and a 335... something that will work nicely across ALL the model platforms... does a Turbo... logically... work with an X5? X3? I know it sounds cool... but in a 535i?

Seriously... we will get a NA bumped version of the current 3.0L... rated at 3.4+L calling it a 3.5L producing around 310hp.

Interestingly... the facelift Z4 will only get the 215hp/255hp 3.0L and the new X5 (MY07) will get the 255hp 3.0L and a 340hp V8. The 760i will be replaced by an Alpina B7 monster. Cool stuff.

Oh... and the "xi" delay is probably more about marketing and manufacturing limitations then anything else.

SpeedFreak! · 12-14-2005, 11:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Tine

Just sleep peacefully and without worrying. I'll let you know soon enough when it'll be worthy to stay awake.

So Tiny... are you sweating bullets yet?

The days are ticking by... Tick... Tick... Tick... Tick...

gtaste · 12-14-2005, 11:18 AM

How about the dipstick? Is it making a come back? LOL...
Likely not since the it will still use the same 3.0L magnesium engine..

F32Fleet · 12-14-2005, 11:24 AM

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Originally Posted by SpeedFreak!

So Tiny... are you sweating bullets yet?

The days are ticking by... Tick... Tick... Tick... Tick...

Still lovin your ZHP?

Tine · 12-14-2005, 11:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SpeedFreak!

So Tiny... are you sweating bullets yet?

The days are ticking by... Tick... Tick... Tick... Tick...

I'm calm. I've heard some birds singing Dec 20 is D day.

SpeedFreak! · 12-14-2005, 11:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Socom

Still lovin your ZHP?

Hell yeah! As much as I love the E90 (remember, I can drive them any time I want)... until BMW produces a ZHP version of the E90... I will continue my love affair.

Of course... 310hp would cause anyone to cheat.

Unless, of course, by then I decide to do the supercharger.

We'll see. I'm waiting just as impatiently as the rest of you.

hector · 12-14-2005, 11:41 AM

I hear that in vegas the prelimenary odds are 52:48 favor tine.

SpeedFreak! · 12-14-2005, 11:42 AM

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Originally Posted by hector

I hear that in vegas the prelimenary odds are 52:48 favor tine.

I love being the underdog.

F32Fleet · 12-14-2005, 11:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SpeedFreak!

Hell yeah! As much as I love the E90 (remember, I can drive them any time I want)... until BMW produces a ZHP version of the E90... I will continue my love affair.

Of course... 310hp would cause anyone to cheat.

Unless, of course, by then I decide to do the supercharger.

We'll see. I'm waiting just as impatiently as the rest of you.

Have you seen My330i.com? His 2nd project car is the ZHP with an ESS Supercharger. Pretty amazing stuff.

SpeedFreak! · 12-14-2005, 11:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Socom

Have you seen My330i.com? His 2nd project car is the ZHP with an ESS Supercharger. Pretty amazing stuff.

Oh yeah... I've studied his site at length. Extremely impressive.

If I do go that direction (odds are that I will) then I will use many of his ideas. What a freakin' car!!!

Bimmerista · 12-14-2005, 11:55 AM

Interesting stuff.

Which means that after removing all the blah blah from this thread, if SpeedFreak is correct about the US models, Canada should keep a 325, as replacement for our 323, with the current engine. (My speculation only).

hector · 12-14-2005, 11:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SpeedFreak!

I love being the underdog.

revised odds; 99:1 tine.

eshamas21 · 12-14-2005, 01:08 PM

I know this is really early to be asking but should we be excpecting a price increase from the 330i to the 335i? and if so how much do u guys think it will be?

deadfresh · 12-14-2005, 01:14 PM

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Originally Posted by hector

revised odds; 99:1 tine.

LOL I cant wait till the 20th. My money is on Tine

12-13-2005, 11:36 PM	#45
E90-4life auto pilot 266 Rep 822 Posts Drives: E60 M5 chilln on slicks Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: SoCal iTrader: (0)	To add to what was said about there not being a 335Xi model... The 335 is more of an enthusiast car than a core 3er, I'd think of it as somewhat along the lines of the E46 33OI ZHP, a sporty road thrashing 3
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db17k Chicketeh china the chinese chicken, you have? 34 Rep 790 Posts Drives: 335ci hold out Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: San Francisco iTrader: (0) Garage List 2003 S2000 [0.00]	As long as it comes out next year, i'm fine with whatever! __________________ "In Soviet Russia car forks you!"
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12-14-2005, 07:36 AM	#49
stressdoc Moderator 618 Rep 10,855 Posts Drives: BMW i8; Toy 4runner TRD pro Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Waco TX iTrader: (0)	That sums it up. The Euro market is getting the bi-turbo with approx. 330 bhp, which translates into approx 310hp by the current US yardstick. The BIG question is whether the NA market gets this same bi-turbo engine. Some of us are willing to forego our citizenship if Purves cannot convince the lawyers to release it in the US. I do not think he has any trouble with the bean counters on this one -- it is a no-brainer to improve both the image and the bottom-line. Look at all the folks lined up and waiting for the 335i now. It is a must-do if BMW is to maintain the position of the ultimate driving machine in the eyes of the hp war, 0-60 mad USA car buying public. Can't have Lexus, VW, etc upstaging the 3-series.
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12-14-2005, 08:26 AM	#52
hector Captain 36 Rep 713 Posts Drives: e46 330ci, e92 335i, 2008 128i Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: virgo supercluster bwo Pennsylvania. iTrader: (0)	speed and tine, thanks for responses, i knew about the twin-sequential set-up but didn't realize that the term variable was applied to it.
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gtaste New Member 0 Rep 25 Posts Drives: E46 ///M3 Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Greenville, SC iTrader: (0)	How about the dipstick? Is it making a come back? LOL How about the dipstick? Is it making a come back? LOL... Likely not since the it will still use the same 3.0L magnesium engine..
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hector Captain 36 Rep 713 Posts Drives: e46 330ci, e92 335i, 2008 128i Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: virgo supercluster bwo Pennsylvania. iTrader: (0)	I hear that in vegas the prelimenary odds are 52:48 favor tine.
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Bimmerista Major General 82 Rep 5,732 Posts Drives: superstock Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Montreal, Quebec, Canada iTrader: (0)	Interesting stuff. Which means that after removing all the blah blah from this thread, if SpeedFreak is correct about the US models, Canada should keep a 325, as replacement for our 323, with the current engine. (My speculation only).
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eshamas21 First Lieutenant 35 Rep 390 Posts Drives: '06 330i Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: So. California iTrader: (0)	I know this is really early to be asking but should we be excpecting a price increase from the 330i to the 335i? and if so how much do u guys think it will be?
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